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What Do You Peeps Think about the concept of "Manifesting"? (Public Board)

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Sunday, May 07, 2023, 00:50 (28 days ago)

The notion that your mental state and your state of optimism vs despair are responsible for creating real world circumstances in your life.

Think "The Secret", EG, an Oprah affiliated pop culture fluff book.

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/21524975/manifesting-does-it-really-work-meme

I occasionally see someone state in forum threads (not here) that XYZ does not work for them. Then someone else almost mockingly rebuts them that they are manifesting their own failure.

What I think and believe:

Manifesting is probably mostly responsible for creating your life circumstances. It's probably more of a determinant of success/failure than IQ, talent in some area, or being made by someone for most people.

There is likely a huge amount of micro-decisions that you make in your life that together push your fortunes up or down, and they are kind of involuntary because they're based on your sense of whether success is possible.

In life I've been on a roll and everything worked out fine, and I've been in the shitter and every attempt I made to improve my circumstances resulted in mockery of me. These patterns persist like the La Nina/El Nino weather currents - they stay around a long time.

What say anyone with a notion about this?

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What Do You Peeps Think about the concept of "Manifesting"?

by ,ndo, Certifiable!, Sunday, May 07, 2023, 07:44 (28 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

I think that to an extent you make your own luck. If you do the groundwork/preparation/research, then when an opportunity does arise you are more likely to recognise it as an opportunity and are more likely to be prepared to exploit it. The second component of this type of luckiness is possessing the courage to take the opportunity presented.

I don't believe in manifesting as such but I do think making your own luck is related to it and might even be an alternative term for the same thing.

What Do You Peeps Think about the concept of "Manifesting"?

by JoFrance, Sunday, May 07, 2023, 19:33 (27 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

Having a state of optimism can give better outcomes with circumstances in your life. Its positive energy and attracts positive things, but I don't think you can control the circumstances most times.

Manifesting helps you identify what your goal is, but its not going to fall in your lap. You have to work to make it happen and give it everything you've got.

I really like your reference to La Nina/El Nino weather currents when describing the ups and downs in life. Its very fitting. If life hands you a shit sandwich, no amount of manifesting is going to change that. You can only work hard to make it the best it can be.

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I Agree With It To A Degree

by Hillarys Colon, Monday, May 08, 2023, 03:13 (27 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

The notion that your mental state and your state of optimism vs despair are responsible for creating real world circumstances in your life.

Think "The Secret", EG, an Oprah affiliated pop culture fluff book.

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/21524975/manifesting-does-it-really-work-meme

I occasionally see someone state in forum threads (not here) that XYZ does not work for them. Then someone else almost mockingly rebuts them that they are manifesting their own failure.

What I think and believe:

Manifesting is probably mostly responsible for creating your life circumstances. It's probably more of a determinant of success/failure than IQ, talent in some area, or being made by someone for most people.

There is likely a huge amount of micro-decisions that you make in your life that together push your fortunes up or down, and they are kind of involuntary because they're based on your sense of whether success is possible.

In life I've been on a roll and everything worked out fine, and I've been in the shitter and every attempt I made to improve my circumstances resulted in mockery of me. These patterns persist like the La Nina/El Nino weather currents - they stay around a long time.

What say anyone with a notion about this?

I was introduced to the concept by a friend. For a long time I did not understand it and did not buy into it. I had the mindset how can thinking about positive outcomes cause the very thing you want to happen? I thought it was IMPOSSIBLE.

I have come to believe your attitude be it positive or negative greatly influences how you view life and how you deal with situations. As CS said we are all resonsible for a zillion micro-decisions about everything. Each one of these decisions causes something else to happen.

She says if you truly believe in ABC happening to you, than ABC will happen to you if you manifest it. To me that means you have a positive attitude and you do all the little steps and decisions that need to happen for ABC. Does it mean that ABC will happen for sure? Nope. It may not happen for any number of reasons.

Since my Dad passed my grief was unimaginable. It took me a better part of a year to pull myself together. But a few things I have realized - you are happier as a person IF you look at things in a positive way. You have to eliminate the negativity in your life. I truly believe in that stuff about the power of positive thinking. This goes hand in hand with manifesting.

Its not just wishing it will happen, you KNOW it will happen. Truly beleiving that it will happen. This is similar to when people tell you that somehing is in Gods hands. In essence that means letting go which is also part of manifesting.

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I don't believe in it

by dictum, Monday, May 08, 2023, 18:48 (26 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

The myriad poor (and good) micro-decisions I've made notwithstanding, I don't believe you can substantially deviate from the fate life has dealt you.

It's what Turks call "Kismet".

If you are supposed to be a dog-catcher, that's what you will be. You can struggle and improve and become a somewhat more successful dog-catcher but you won't become the next Elon Musk no matter what you do.

How much has Elon Musk or Donald Trump have done to become what they are?

Their success does not correlate with their input/effort. Not even close.

In fact the whole "work hard and you will be successful" mantra is pure BS. You can waste your entire life working dawn to dusk and still end up essentially the same thing.

I do admit having made questionable decisions which only solidified the above. Even these decisions seemed like Kismet. I did not know any better at the time, could not have known, did not have anyone in life to mentor me in the right direction and 1000 and 1 other factors outside of my control.

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I Am Lost: I've gone to look for myself. If I should return before I get back, please ask me to wait.

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Question for you Dictum

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Monday, May 08, 2023, 22:10 (26 days ago) @ dictum
edited by Cornpop Sutton, Monday, May 08, 2023, 22:48

Do you believe that you can achieve the same level and quality of result if your attitude is negative and shitty, that you can if your attitude is optimistic?

Let's assume that the task has nothing to do with feelz or people or even animals.

It could be a purely mechanical task devoid of emotional content ... writing software or woodworking, for that matter. So we cut emotions out of the mix entirely.

So, suppose you enter the task thinking that the task itself sucks balls and you hate your life.

Will your result and production be the same as if you were at last neutral about your life and you like the idea of the work before you?

This is what the question revolves around - just amplified for the many things one does in conducting their life.

You appear to indicate in your response that your production, speed, and quality would be identical in both cases.

You might rebut my example by saying that it's only a one off task and the nature of "manifesting" talk is about a person's life course.

I'm saying it's valid because one's life is made up of countless tasks. If they usually go well then you have a relatively better life than if you fail at most things.

I proposed one brick in the wall, the wall being your life made up of countless bricks. If the individual bricks are done in a negative frame of mind and sense of hopelessness then probably the whole structure is rickety.

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Inevitability of fate

by dictum, Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 12:21 (12 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton


So, suppose you enter the task thinking that the task itself sucks balls and you hate your life
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Bullshit. I didn't say that, it's a caricature of my statements.

I have a number of tasks I entered with hope and perseverance and positive attitude and gave them my best. I really did. For example marriage. For example my career. The former became nuclear Chernobyl power plant blast and the latter is a sinking Titanic (which hasn't sank yet but got ice on deck). I really did struggle to keep things afloat as long as possible, thinking "Yes, I can do it". Positive attitude. Fear is the enemy.

Some 20 years ago I followed Mark Twain's dictum, to the effect of "You are going to regret things you never did versus things you did". So I said yes, there is a risk to it but will engage it anyway, and how bad can it get?
Plus if I don't, I will regret not trying it.
Twain was wrong.

And I did give it my best. (Marriage). The fact is, my best wasn't anywhere good enough. The reality of things was, I didn't have the skills to pick the right mate nor the skills to maintain things with the wrong mate. I acutely overestimated myself and underestimated the risks. It's probably the worst decision of my life. Am I responsible? Yes and no. Yes, because I was an adult, but no because I got there through a set of circumstances, all of them beyond my control. My toxic family where talking about anything was a taboo, everything was a lie, a secret, you weren't supposed to talk about how you felt, just living in angry, suppressed silence, with a painted happy face. No positive role models and abuse as a paradigm in relationships. I was totally set up for a failure later in life, especially in the personal relationships trajectory.

I had no choice in the situation of my biological parent disappearing at the age of 3 or the fact that his replacement was emotionally unavailable. My ex was a train wreck from the beginning and our meeting was the start of a nuclear chain reaction. It was inevitable.
I spent almost a decade in a long crazy bitter and expensive custody fight.
My career became a distant second. It was kind of derailed 15 year ago.
The whole thing was predetermined as much as Titanic. There was a book written about the catastrophe. Years before it even occurred. The book even got the name almost right. Titan vs Titanic.


I can talk about the career also but you know how that goes. I haven't sank yet and keep on keeping on. It seems I am the only person still working in IT on this forum. With everyone else having moved on or commiserating, complaining how bad it is. (which it is). This forum is more of a demotivator, which is why actual paid IT consultants at the peak of their career won't join the party.

Yours apparently completely fell apart years ago. And wasn't every good even at its peak. I am not blaming you though. In fact I am saying just the opposite. It's not your fault.



But for personal reasons I really can't move now. Goddamned failing old people I am responsible for continue to live and be feeble and be needy and need my presence.
The point is, I'm making a choice that predetermines other things.

This is exactly the point I am referring to. You made it for me.
Fate, kismet, the pre-determined situation which you now view as a "choice" you are making.
100 other factors outside of your control put you where you are now.
But it's not a bad place. It's just that, what choice? The circumstances have made the choice for you and you are just now playing with the cards fate dealt you. Choice is an illusion.

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I Am Lost: I've gone to look for myself. If I should return before I get back, please ask me to wait.

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Kismet

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Monday, May 08, 2023, 22:41 (26 days ago) @ dictum
edited by Cornpop Sutton, Monday, May 08, 2023, 23:04

I do admit having made questionable decisions which only solidified the above. Even these decisions seemed like Kismet. I did not know any better at the time, could not have known, did not have anyone in life to mentor me in the right direction and 1000 and 1 other factors outside of my control.

I'm much harsher on myself than you are on yourself, to an extent.

Everyone's responsibility is to learn better and to know better before needing to use that knowledge. That's my response to the notion that nobody told you and you had no mentors. Join the friggin' club.

I beat myself up for being silly about entering some tasks w/o devoting any study or contemplation to whether it was a good idea to begin with.

I posit this is more the cause of these unstated difficulties that you cite.

I don't dodge responsibility and claim that bad destiny caused me to make shitty decisions.

Because avoiding the responsibility for learning and growth means that one keeps fucking up and making up excuses to exonerate one's shitty judgement.

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Thoughts by now

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Monday, May 08, 2023, 23:27 (26 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

So far I have responses in this thread from three sane centered people, all basically agreeing with the premise.

I didn't show my cards when I posted this, but basically I agree.

There is some mystery to life. At times - doors tend to open for you, things fall into line, you are somehow supported with what you're trying to do. At other times, everything is against you, nothing goes well, and everyone sneers at your efforts.

I'm on the "things going shitty and everyone on my case/up my ass" side of this proposition much of the time, it seems.

In my own case, "manifesting" consists of continuing to live in a region that is pure shit in terms of human capital.

"Hillbilly Elegy" by JD Vance was basically written about the people of my region. (if you don't know what I am talking about, get some cultural perspective and look it the fuck up. Its' an important book.)

(In fact he comes from 8 mi or so from me at present.) Bitter, argumentative, disrespectful, proud of ignorance... that's the people here. I have run-ins all of the time here.

Anyway, I'm manifesting failure and dissatisfaction by continuing to live here.

But for personal reasons I really can't move now. Goddamned failing old people I am responsible for continue to live and be feeble and be needy and need my presence.

The point is, I'm making a choice that predetermines other things.

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Thoughts by now

by Hillarys Colon, Tuesday, May 09, 2023, 07:09 (26 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

So far I have responses in this thread from three sane centered people, all basically agreeing with the premise.

I didn't show my cards when I posted this, but basically I agree.

There is some mystery to life. At times - doors tend to open for you, things fall into line, you are somehow supported with what you're trying to do. At other times, everything is against you, nothing goes well, and everyone sneers at your efforts.

I'm on the "things going shitty and everyone on my case/up my ass" side of this proposition much of the time, it seems.

In my own case, "manifesting" consists of continuing to live in a region that is pure shit in terms of human capital.

"Hillbilly Elegy" by JD Vance was basically written about the people of my region. (if you don't know what I am talking about, get some cultural perspective and look it the fuck up. Its' an important book.)

(In fact he comes from 8 mi or so from me at present.) Bitter, argumentative, disrespectful, proud of ignorance... that's the people here. I have run-ins all of the time here.

Anyway, I'm manifesting failure and dissatisfaction by continuing to live here.

But for personal reasons I really can't move now. Goddamned failing old people I am responsible for continue to live and be feeble and be needy and need my presence.

The point is, I'm making a choice that predetermines other things.

Where I live is a shit show as well.

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Angry bitter redneck townies VS hood rats

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Tuesday, May 09, 2023, 09:30 (26 days ago) @ Hillarys Colon

Kind of a pick the worst poison situation.

Both have common attributes such as bitterness, proclivity to fighting and shit talking rather than getting along, impulsive and reckless.

They're mirror images in a way, just from entirely different cultures that have a lot in common such as drug addiction and fatherlessness.

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