What if JFK had lived and served two terms? (Public Board)

by IT guy, Monday, September 14, 2020, 13:06 (13 days ago)

How do you think things things would be different today?

I wasn't around then. Perhaps some of you were and/or remember how things were then. It was a much different Democratic Party then. Seems that he had a lot of respect from the middle class.

From what I've heard from people and read, the country was really demoralized when he was shot.

Would Vietnam still have been a thing or would he have pulled out?

Would LBJ have ever been President? From what I read, he was about to be investigated when JFK was shot.

Would the country have ever been as divided as it is now or would that still have happened? Without the Vietnam War, they hippy movement and all that may not have been much of a thing.

Would the Soviet Union have fallen? Would there have been Reagan as President? What would the two political parties be like today? Or would JFK have been disgraced (like Bill Clinton) after his scandals were made public?

Interesting to think about.

What if JFK had lived and served two terms?

by Historian, Monday, September 14, 2020, 13:11 (13 days ago) @ IT guy
edited by Historian, Monday, September 14, 2020, 13:18

It was a much different Democratic Party then. Seems that he had a lot of respect from the middle class.

Before Roe vs Wade the Democrat Party was the Evangelical Christian, Union and Working Class party. Also heavily Southern vs Republican that was more Northern, that was the great alignment. Working class Democrats in the North often were immigrants from the South that migrated to find work after the Civil War. Anti-union rich factory owners were northern, Republican, and non-evangelical. Workers had few rights, union busting was a thing, and the workers were poorly educated southern evangelicals who were very pro labor and unions.

Fast forward a century... after Roe vs Wade the Democratic Party decided supporting abortion was the hill they would die on, and Christians that were against abortion left the party in droves and became Republicans. So Roe vs Wade was sort of the point where everything changed and the parties completely realigned and no longer had even a vestige of north vs south left.

There's a fun show based on a comic called Umbrella Academy that touches on Kennedy surviving. Umbrella Academy is basically a rip off of X-Men: kids with secret powers are recruited and live in a mansion where they are trained by a quirky scientific expert billionaire.

The show has time travel as a recurring theme since one of the kids can open up time portals, but his control of them is poor. In fact every kid's powers are pretty bad, coming with side effects, poor control, or just generally being kind of useless.

Second season they stop the JFK assassination.

MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD

The FBI and JFK then incorrectly conclude that the assassin was working for the USSR, the US declares war on the Soviets, the Soviets invade the US, the US and USSR then do a full nuclear exchange, and everyone on earth dies.

Every season is actually this same theme. Things are screwed up, so the kids use time travel to "fix" things, and every single time it results in the end of the world. It's kind of funny.

What if JFK had lived and served two terms?

by IT guy, Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 00:22 (12 days ago) @ Historian

Thanks for the info! I knew the Democrats and Republicans flipped at some point, but wasn't sure why that happened. Interesting to see why the evangelicals switched parties.

I might have to check that out. Not really into comic stuff but am a fan of Back to the Future.

It's interesting to look at things that have changed the course of history, and how things could have played out differently. For example:

What if the south won the Civil War?

What if World War 2 would have turned out differently?

etc.

What if JFK had lived and served two terms?

by Historian, Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 03:33 (12 days ago) @ IT guy

What if the south had won

Wonder no more!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exnwTWfFRM8

(highly recommended documentary if you haven't seen it yet)

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What if JFK had lived and served two terms?

by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 03:39 (12 days ago) @ Historian

^ The fake product ads and the pure snark through the entire movie are PRICELESS.

This is one of the best mockumentaries ever.

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Aeon Flux

by ,ndo, Shit for brains, Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 06:13 (12 days ago) @ Historian

That was similar to the first set of Aeon Flux shorts on MTV, she would stuff something up and die, every time.

FYI, I'm pretty sure that's the only DVD I own. I can't think ... oh hang on, I bought a few old Doctor Who when the DVD rental store went out of business. But that was rank opportunism. Flux was the only one where I said, I'm going to get that.

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IMO, No Camelot

by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Monday, September 14, 2020, 13:19 (13 days ago) @ IT guy

Because JFK was assassinated there is a sepia toned wash of good vibes over Kennedy and his presidency. I suspect the truth back then was quite a bit more complex.

The prevailing non mainstream but common assumption today is that JFK was taken out by the CIA as retribution and as damage control owing to key failures such as the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis almost resulting in nuclear war. I believe also that at the time JFK was considerably more of a war dove than the establishment wanted, and he probably would have curtailed US involvement in Vietnam.

I suspect Kennedy's presidency may have been perceived a bit like Carter's if he wasn't assassinated. Maybe Clinton's if he had done really well domestically with civil rights and the economy.

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IMO, No Camelot

by IT guy, Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 00:32 (12 days ago) @ Pepe the Programmer

Because JFK was assassinated there is a sepia toned wash of good vibes over Kennedy and his presidency. I suspect the truth back then was quite a bit more complex.

I think you hit the hammer on the nail here. If his terms were to play out, perhaps there would not be such good vibes. There's the nostalgia thing as well. People who were around in the 50s and 60s look back fondly on those times.

The prevailing non mainstream but common assumption today is that JFK was taken out by the CIA as retribution and as damage control owing to key failures such as the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis almost resulting in nuclear war.

So the CIA blamed Kennedy for those failure? I thought the CIA was in charge of the Bay of Pigs invasion?

I believe also that at the time JFK was considerably more of a war dove than the establishment wanted, and he probably would have curtailed US involvement in Vietnam.

That could have made a big impact in how things played out. Imagine no Woodstock, no hippies, and the music probably would have been impacted as well.

I suspect Kennedy's presidency may have been perceived a bit like Carter's if he wasn't assassinated.

That's a pretty big fall from grace. Although many would say that Carter is a good man, he isn't really seen as a good President.

Maybe Clinton's if he had done really well domestically with civil rights and the economy.

Both of them were involved in scandals, so they had that in common as well.

I recall Obama being compared to Kennedy when he was running for President - his speaking skills and charisma.

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IMO, No Camelot

by ,ndo, Shit for brains, Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 06:23 (12 days ago) @ IT guy

The prevailing non mainstream but common assumption today is that JFK was taken out by the CIA as retribution and as damage control owing to key failures such as the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis almost resulting in nuclear war.


So the CIA blamed Kennedy for those failure? I thought the CIA was in charge of the Bay of Pigs invasion?

There are so many competing versions of The Truth it's difficult to wade through all the pseudo facts and actual facts but the version that seems most likely to me is that Kennedy threatened to expose the puppeteers.

IMO, No Camelot

by IT guy, Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 00:47 (11 days ago) @ ,ndo

Ok, that makes sense.

It was Camelot in some ways

by JoFrance, Thursday, September 17, 2020, 20:20 (9 days ago) @ IT guy

JFK was a beloved president and an inspiration. He believed in lower taxes as a way to stimulate the economy and was very forward thinking. His economic policies worked. Under his leadership, he sought to dominate in space and set his sights on going to the Moon, which back then was a very lofty goal. He never did get to see that dream realized, but it only happened because of his forward-thinking vision.

I think that the Trump presidency is very much like the JFK presidency, though JFK had a much more refined manner. He was handsome and had his affairs, but back then you had no internet, no cable TV or other big media, so there wasn't a lot of news about it until after he was assassinated.

It was like Camelot back then. Jackie Kennedy was a fashion icon and always perfectly dressed, like Melania.

I agree with this, Pepe:

"I believe also that at the time JFK was considerably more of a war dove than the establishment wanted, and he probably would have curtailed US involvement in Vietnam."

Back then, the country was tired of war after WWII and the Korean War. I think JFK was a lot bolder than Carter, though, and if he had a second term he would have continued supporting policies to build the middle class.

I was 10 years old when he was assassinated. The entire country mourned his loss greatly. IMO, the CIA murdered him because he wouldn't go along with what the establishment wanted.

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It was Camelot in some ways

by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Thursday, September 17, 2020, 22:18 (9 days ago) @ JoFrance

^ Grandpa Bush sighted conspicuously in public in Dallas the day-of.

Kindly good old GHW Bush.

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