Let's say that Biden wins the Presidency and the Republicans win the house (Public Board)

by IT guy, Friday, September 11, 2020, 01:32 (9 days ago)

We know the Dems taking the Presidency AND the Senate would be bad news.

Trump winning and the Democrats regaining the house would likely be more of the same.

Ideally Trump wins and the Republicans take the house.

But let's say that Biden wins the Presidency and the Republicans take over the house.

Trump and Pelosi would be gone.....replaced by Biden and McCarthy.

How do you guys think this would play out? Would the two sides play nicer and actually get something done? The two sides cannot even come close to agreeing on a stimulus package at this point, during a time that many people are in serious need of extra unemployment.

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Let's say that Biden wins the Presidency and the Republicans win the house

by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Friday, September 11, 2020, 01:34 (9 days ago) @ IT guy

Biden would probably be prosecuted for Burisma. That would be the proxy for the Mueller probe. It would be the Mueller problem of 2021-22.

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Let's say that Biden wins the Presidency and the Republicans win the house

by IT guy, Friday, September 11, 2020, 02:00 (9 days ago) @ Pepe the Programmer

Think so? The Republicans are too passive. Bill Barr was supposed to clean up and he hasn't done a whole hell of a lot.

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Let's say that Biden wins the Presidency and the Republicans win the house

by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Friday, September 11, 2020, 03:08 (9 days ago) @ IT guy

Yeah, no argument. I was engaging in wishful thinking.

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Let's say that Biden wins the Presidency and the Republicans win the house

by ,ndo, Shit for brains, Friday, September 11, 2020, 02:20 (9 days ago) @ IT guy

I think it would revert to business as usual faster than you could imagine. Politicians, lobbyists and co all greasing each other's backs like they have for decades.

Trump is the only one with any desire and any capacity to diminish the gravy train. It's too big a job for him but he is giving it a go.

Is there anyone of independent means who believes in the sovereignty of the individual over the state, you know, as did the authors of the US Constitution, who could succeed him?

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Let's say that Biden wins the Presidency and the Republicans win the house

by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Friday, September 11, 2020, 03:10 (9 days ago) @ ,ndo

Is there anyone of independent means who believes in the sovereignty of the individual over the state, you know, as did the authors of the US Constitution, who could succeed him?

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Well, I always have hope. In 2015 when Trump exploded on the scene as a potential candidate, I remembered him mainly as an Obama birther, and I thought "yeah, right".

Point being that things can change at light speed.

It's conceivable someone else with similar integrity of principle is lurking and saying little, in order to preserve their capital.

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Let's say that Biden wins the Presidency and the Republicans win the house

by IT guy, Friday, September 11, 2020, 12:55 (9 days ago) @ ,ndo

I think it would revert to business as usual faster than you could imagine. Politicians, lobbyists and co all greasing each other's backs like they have for decades.

Unfortunately you are 110% correct.

Trump is the only one with any desire and any capacity to diminish the gravy train. It's too big a job for him but he is giving it a go.

Is there anyone of independent means who believes in the sovereignty of the individual over the state, you know, as did the authors of the US Constitution, who could succeed him?

If there is, both parties would put the screws to him to ensure there is not another 2016. That wasn't supposed to happen!

Let's say that Biden wins the Presidency and the Republicans win the house

by JoFrance, Friday, September 11, 2020, 20:05 (9 days ago) @ IT guy

If Biden took the presidency and McCarthy was Speaker of the House, it would be more business as usual, to some degree. The Deep State would be back in control, but I don't think he would go along with Biden/Bernie Sanders crazy agenda, like the Green New Deal. I think McCarthy would shut that down.

I don't think anything of any significance would get done through the house.

There could be someone of independent means lurking. Donald Trump Jr.?

Let's say that Biden wins the Presidency and the Republicans win the house

by IT guy, Monday, September 14, 2020, 00:46 (6 days ago) @ JoFrance

From what I've read, McCarthy is another Paul Ryan type. He'd be an improvement over Pelosi, of course, and he might prevent Biden from pulling any stunts like that.

Let's say Trump were re-elected. I'm not sure anything of any significance would get done there either (see Trumps first two years when Republicans had control of Congress).

As for Trump Jr.

I like him but honestly am not a big fan of family dynasties. He's missing something that his dad has. Then again, maybe there's stuff he can bring to the table that his dad doesn't. Hard to tell at this point.

Let's say that Biden wins the Presidency and the Republicans win the house

by JoFrance, Monday, September 14, 2020, 19:49 (6 days ago) @ IT guy

IT guy, exactly! McCarthy is another Paul Ryan. I see him as an eventual back-stabber if he ever gets power, but he is still better than Pelosi. He would effectively shut down a lot of the zany ideas that Biden would want to do.

I think this time with the Republican party, Trump would have a lot more support than during his first term. He didn't have much support from either party in the first 2 years, but now he has essentially rebranded and taken over the Republican party.

I don't like dynasties either, IT guy, but Trump Jr. could probably get his own money. He isn't ready yet, IMO. He's got the heart, but not the finesse and shrewdness of his father. The Trump family could also throw their financial support behind another candidate. There are some real solid Republicans that have potential.

Let's say that Biden wins the Presidency and the Republicans win the house

by IT guy, Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 00:36 (5 days ago) @ JoFrance
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he has essentially rebranded and taken over the Republican party.

True but it's going to take longer than another term to purge the filth and get it to the point where they can get things done.

I don't like dynasties either, IT guy, but Trump Jr. could probably get his own money. He isn't ready yet, IMO. He's got the heart, but not the finesse and shrewdness of his father. The Trump family could also throw their financial support behind another candidate. There are some real solid Republicans that have potential.

Who would you say have potential?

Mike Pence? Nikki Haley?

The danger in the Republicans losing the Presidency is this: If a Democrat is elected President, Democrats take over Congress, and amnesty is granted to millions of illegals, there may not be another Republican elected President after that.

It's almost like Trump would need to be re-elected and then someone with similar views would need to succeed him, plus there needs to be major turnover in Congress during this time to reverse the creep toward socialism.

Let's say that Biden wins the Presidency and the Republicans win the house

by FSK, Saturday, September 12, 2020, 15:49 (8 days ago) @ IT guy

How do you guys think this would play out? Would the two sides play nicer and actually get something done?

The Democrats are openly planning for Civil War. A sudden turn isn't going to happen.

There aren't many scenarios where Biden wins and Republicans take the house, assuming Biden voters also vote for the House.

Another downside of a Biden win - All those Antifa get their charges dropped or a pardon.

Whichever side loses the election isn't going to accept it. If Trump loses, he will claim mail-in voter fraud. If Trump wins, Democrats start a hot civil war.

A lot of far-right groups are saying "We're waiting until after the election to start hunting down Antifa and killing them."

Let's say that Biden wins the Presidency and the Republicans win the house

by JoFrance, Saturday, September 12, 2020, 19:28 (8 days ago) @ FSK

I think we're in a Civil War already. Its just going to get much, much worse if Trump wins.

If Biden wins it will be because the Dems cheated. He is clearly unfit for office, has little support and is just a puppet for who knows who. I don't think Trump supporters will accept the election if that happens.

Something has to be done with Antifa. I hope it doesn't come to far-right groups getting involved.

Let's say that Biden wins the Presidency and the Republicans win the house

by FSK, Saturday, September 12, 2020, 20:54 (8 days ago) @ JoFrance
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Right now, only one side is fighting, the left/Antifa. They also control the media and all the big Internet companies, which means they can cover up the extent of the problem. As far as I can tell, the downtown area of pretty much every big city has been burned and looted.

Now that they've wrecked the downtown areas, they're going for residential areas. They're also now able to do targeted assassinations.

In Democrat states and cities, Antifa can do as they please with no resistance from police. Even when arrested, they get released without being prosecuted. In Republican states, the police are still effective.

It has become accepted that you don't use lethal force to protect property or stop a riot. Without the threat of getting shot, or even getting arrested, Antifa can do as they please.

The conservatives are still hoping that the police can get their act together and stop it from becoming a full civil war. After the election, if Trump wins, the violence gets racheted up, and they probably won't hold back anymore. If Biden wins, they won't see any reason to hold back either.

It's also become accepted that using lasers to blind police is OK, along with using fireworks and IEDs. Blocking traffic is also seen as something that protesters have a right to do.

There's also a ton of funding, from big corporations and billionaires who for some bizarre reason have decided that a Civil War is a good idea. There's also funding, supplies, and training coming from China. One of the people caught arsoning up the West coast was an immigrant from China. He had a high-tech method of using drones to spread fire.

Under normal circumstances, DAs like to brag about how tough on crime they are. These extreme left DAs, many of which are backed by Soros, have openly said they're refusing to prosecute Antifa. It's only in the past year that DAs, mayors, and governors have come out openly supporting domestic terrorism.

It's a Civil War, but only one side is fighting right now. Antifa can do as they please, but anyone on the right who fights back is promptly prosecuted, like that teenager in Kenosha, or that couple in St. Louis who used guns to deter rioters. At some point, the police just won't have the resources to keep up anymore, and it's going to be full open season.

The big questions are:

- What do the police do once the shooting starts? Are they going to keep the current policy of prosecuting the right while ignoring the left?

- What do all the retired veterans and retired cops do? The Trump websites think they're primarily going to support the right.

- What are the active military going to do? The bosses are sympathetic to Antifa (being chosen by Obama), but the rank and file are anyone's guess.

- Are China and the EU going to land troops in the USA once fighting starts?

Let's say that Biden wins the Presidency and the Republicans win the house

by IT guy, Monday, September 14, 2020, 00:48 (6 days ago) @ FSK

That is true. Neither side will accept losing. I'm not sure it will lead to a civil war but it's going to be crazy.

Let's say that Biden wins the Presidency and the Republicans win the house

by JoFrance, Monday, September 14, 2020, 19:23 (6 days ago) @ IT guy

Really, FSK, its a good thing only one side is fighting. People on the right know that Antifa and the Left want to start a civil war so bad. They're not going to get it, at least right now.

The left would love to see Trump use the military in all of those cities (which are all run by Democrats) without their permission to stop the riots so they can create the narrative that he is a dictator. The Trump admin has been very careful to only use federal troops to protect federal properties. Trump didn't take their bait and as a bonus, he may withhold federal dollars from those states that allow open anarchy in their cities.

Antifa and BLM are both losing popularity the more they riot in the streets. IMO, its only a matter of time before the big corporations and billionaires supporting this Marxism will face a backlash. The Democrats have been facing a backlash now for not condemning the violent riots which is why you see Biden out there starting to condemn it. Its too little, too late.

The DOJ has been quietly charging the rioters on a federal level for various crimes through Operation Legend. The last number I heard was that 2000 people were charged and arrested across 8 cities. They will be prosecuted under federal law which carries much heavier penalties. State governments have refused to prosecute them.

If they start to riot after the election, the anarchists will likely face federal troops or US Marshals. I hope it doesn't come down to citizens defending their homes, but there are plenty of guns in the US to fight back. Thank God for the Second Amendment. Our Founding Fathers were so smart. They knew the day would come.

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JoFrance, the stupidity runs deep - check this out

by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Monday, September 14, 2020, 22:55 (6 days ago) @ JoFrance

Remember 'I D' from the old board? This describes a discussion with him.

After engaging with this moderate leftie normie, I was really depressed.

I'm completely unclear on the level of self-awareness in this country at this point. Normies like this guy in my opinion are the worst threat to our civil liberties. Because they seek convenience and comfort, are easily gaslit, have little situational awareness, and follow concensus even when it's fucking stupid. SOMEONE had to vote for nasty lying pieces of shit like Ayanna Pressley or AOC.

These lazy, complacent thinkers will readily hand over power to a worse power cabal than the PRC and will consider it a civic duty to do so.

I want to believe Trump will win in an inarguable landslide. In reality, I suspect the left and the deep state are already very well prepared this time around for that outcome.

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by FSK, Monday, September 14, 2020, 23:07 (6 days ago) @ Pepe the Programmer

If Biden wins President, all those Antifa being prosecuted get off. Either the prosecution is dropped or they will be pardoned.

This is a situation that the authors of the Constitution hadn't anticipated, that the government would be openly supporting domestic terrorism. I guess the 2nd Amendment was supposed to counter that. It isn't much of a 2nd Amendment if you get frivolously charged with a crime whenever you exercise it to defend yourself.

Right now, most people are on the right are still saying "Let the police and Feds handle it." They won't be for much longer. Waiting until the election (November) is something they probably can do.

There is some public opinion turning, with some Democrats starting to acknowledge that there is a problem. Hopefully they can get their act together.

Maybe Trump was right, letting Democrat cities burn and having public opinion turn on them. It's hard to turn public opinion without media support. If the riots and looting were headline news, they would stop in a day.

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Stuff like this is precisely what distinguishes brain dead normies

by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Monday, September 14, 2020, 23:27 (6 days ago) @ FSK

Maybe Trump was right, letting Democrat cities burn and having public opinion turn on them. It's hard to turn public opinion without media support. If the riots and looting were headline news, they would stop in a day.

The acquaintance I argued with would assert that if these events weren't reported widely in the media, then they were not significant or important enough to merit attention.

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by IT guy, Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 00:44 (5 days ago) @ Pepe the Programmer

That's what I'm thinking.

I recently posted about a similar conversation with a family member that went nowhere. These aren't stupid people. They're lazy, complacent, and have outdated views on how things are.

"The Republicans are gonna eliminate Social Security", for example.

In reality, I suspect the left and the deep state are already very well prepared this time around for that outcome.

That's no secret as they already made that public. It's called "mail in voting" and "refusal to concede".

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JoFrance, the stupidity runs deep - check this out

by ,ndo, Shit for brains, Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 06:47 (5 days ago) @ IT guy

I'm fairly sure that Trump has most of the schemes in hand. For example, the lies about the US Postal Service were squashed pretty efficiently. The "crisis" vanished faster than it materialised, never to be heard from again. I'm also fairly sure that there will be sufficient physical votes to outweigh shenanigans.

For me, the uncertainty is what comes after all the successive schemes fail to prevent Trump being inaugurated. Will the Demunists really escalate? Or will they finally back down (a little)?

Are there moderate lefties?

by JoFrance, Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 20:01 (5 days ago) @ ,ndo
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Pepe said:

"Remember 'I D' from the old board? This describes a discussion with him.
After engaging with this moderate leftie normie, I was really depressed.
I'm completely unclear on the level of self-awareness in this country at this point. Normies like this guy in my opinion are the worst threat to our civil liberties. Because they seek convenience and comfort, are easily gaslit, have little situational awareness, and follow concensus even when it's fucking stupid. SOMEONE had to vote for nasty lying pieces of shit like Ayanna Pressley or AOC.

These lazy, complacent thinkers will readily hand over power to a worse power cabal than the PRC and will consider it a civic duty to do so.

I want to believe Trump will win in an inarguable landslide. In reality, I suspect the left and the deep state are already very well prepared this time around for that outcome."

Pepe, I always saw I D as a hardcore, bleeding heart liberal, not a moderate. The Birkenstock majority, yeah, but someone who sees himself as a far more enlightened, educated individual than most (snobby). He could not bear the coarseness of Trump or hard truths of what is happening in the country and refuses to see it. As long as the Democrat party pushes the "Hate Has no Home Here" virtue signaling narrative, he's on board and will vote a corpse like Biden into power.

People like him are definitely the worst threat to our civil liberties. They're like naive children who think the world can be utopia. They aren't living in reality.

Absolutely, the left knows that they're headed for a crushing defeat. Their only hope is to create as much chaos as possible with mail-in voting and try to save face if they lose by saying the election was stolen from them.

They won't just leave it at that though, there will be more riots, etc. It will be very ugly.

Some Republican Candidate Possibilities for 2024

by JoFrance, Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 21:05 (5 days ago) @ JoFrance

IT guy, I like a few people in the Republican party that I'm looking at. I like Tim Scott in SC, Dan Crenshaw in TX, Jim Jordan in OH, Devin Nunes in CA, and Richard Grenell, who was our acting DNI, though he might be better as our new FBI director.

I think Nikki Haley will throw her hat in the ring, but I don't like how quickly she gave into the "mob" over removing the Confederate flag from the SC statehouse. That flag means different things to different people, but she took a side immediately. She's more compromising and I see her as more of a RINO.

We're at the point in this country where there is no compromising with the crazy Democrats. Their socialist ideas are a no and we need a president that will stand up for freedom and smaller, unobtrusive government.

During the pandemic, everyone has gotten a taste or a look-see of how Democrats in power will take all of your freedoms away if given the opportunity.

Some Republican Candidate Possibilities for 2024

by IT guy, Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 00:52 (4 days ago) @ JoFrance

IT guy, I like a few people in the Republican party that I'm looking at. I like Tim Scott in SC, Dan Crenshaw in TX, Jim Jordan in OH, Devin Nunes in CA, and Richard Grenell, who was our acting DNI, though he might be better as our new FBI director.

I'm not familiar with all of those names, but am impressed with Tim Scott and Jim Jordan.

I think Nikki Haley will throw her hat in the ring, but I don't like how quickly she gave into the "mob" over removing the Confederate flag from the SC statehouse. That flag means different things to different people, but she took a side immediately. She's more compromising and I see her as more of a RINO.

I have mixed feelings regarding her. She resisted Trump at first, then joined his administration, left, but then gave a nice speech at the RNC. She sounded Presidential but I'm still on the fence as far as she goes.

We're at the point in this country where there is no compromising with the crazy Democrats. Their socialist ideas are a no and we need a president that will stand up for freedom and smaller, unobtrusive government.

Most Republicans are RINOs who roll over. Yes, more hard asses like Trump are needed.

The problem of being friendly with dumb people

by JoFrance, Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 22:12 (4 days ago) @ IT guy

Pepe, I see what you're saying about my perception of I D. I always gave him credit for being an independent thinker, but I didn't really know him like you did. I didn't realize that he was a collectivist who allows the group to define what he thinks.

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I guess I was just saying overall...

by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 22:18 (4 days ago) @ JoFrance
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Misperception of reality - not really grasping what is going on - Happens with really smart people. As well as not so smart people.

The guy isn't dumb. He just doesn't understand that he's had what the SJWs call a "privileged" career and life and in turn he doesn't appreciate certain categories of risk.

My career has been anything but privileged, so I have experienced that undesirable extremes exist in human behavior that we have to deal with on our own. He doesn't get that at all.

So he believes that Mean Deplorable Trump shitposting is the #1 problem faced by humanity and the US.

Liberals don't understand real problems. They create problems out of nothing and then force solutions that amount to enslavement.

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The problem of being friendly with dumb people

by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 21:57 (5 days ago) @ JoFrance

It's a problem.

When I was parrying with the clueless individual I realized what a waste of time it was. Essentially I was arguing with an idiot. I wound up deleting all of the discussion and then hiding the post from just him so it would just vanish to him. FB has a visibility control: "All friends except (list names)."

See my new thread on the topic here where I analyze the guy.

I identified one type of signature mode of thinking: the person believes in institutions and is basically a collectivist by life experience.

I believe there are other contributing traits to being a leftard: narcissism for a big one.

I think you have this guy a bit wrong. I really don't read him as a narcissist and I've engaged him at length. I read him more simply as someone who believes that the crowd has wisdom. IE: he's perpetually in search of discussion with someone in order to understand something. In part that's just a social need. But IMO it's quite mistaken to defer your instincts and reasoning to the crowd. He does so willingly and believes it's his duty to listen to "all of these distinguished people who hate Trump so therefore they must have a common valid understanding."

The guy thinks life is like Oxford University with all-knowing sages being common. Life is really more like a bunch of dropouts starting a diesel mechanic school and then teaching brain surgery.

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JoFrance, the stupidity runs deep - check this out

by IT guy, Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 00:49 (4 days ago) @ ,ndo

I expect the Dems to pull out all the stops. The election fight could go to Congress or perhaps the Supreme Court.

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