Hamas Supplies Smuggled In With Food Aid (Public Board)

by FSK, Saturday, November 04, 2023, 00:35 (28 days ago)

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-tried-to-send-fighters-to-egypt-in-ambulances-for-wounded-gazans-us-official/

Meanwhile, two senior Israeli officials told The Times of Israel that Israeli inspectors earlier this week uncovered several oxygen concentrators meant to aerate the tunnels operated by terror organizations in Gaza.

“These weren’t for use in the hospitals, but below them. That’s why they were smuggled among boxes of cookies,” one of the senior Israeli officials said, adding that the entire truck in which the oxygen concentrators were found was barred from entering Gaza.

UN "aid workers" are recruited from the general population. They put zero effort into screening to make sure that Hamas members don't join, which means that Hamas members are joining.

If Hamas supplies were smuggled into the aid truck, that also means some UN workers was going to find them and deliver them to Hamas. I.e., Hamas is working with the UN.

It looks like Israel cucked out and is still letting aid trucks in, only blocking that single aid truck. They missed a chance to go hardball "If you're putting weapons and Hamas supplies in with the aid, we're going to block aid for a week every time we catch you smuggling something."

The "oxygen concentrators" were not strictly weapons, but they are something that would be used to help Hamas soldiers who are hiding in tunnels. If they were for legitimate medical use, they wouldn't be in a box of cookies and instead be with medical aid that was already approved.

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What a dismal confluence of pure evil

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Saturday, November 04, 2023, 03:14 (28 days ago) @ FSK

Hamas is pure shit - insane maniacs pledging death to an entire religion.

Israel is a fascist nightmare teetering on civil war with its own version of A3OB (basically.)

They kind of deserve each other. :-(

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What a dismal confluence of pure evil

by ,ndo, Certifiable!, Saturday, November 04, 2023, 05:55 (28 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

They kind of deserve each other

Funny you should say that, given that Israel created Hamas in the first place :)

Nevertheless, I would be happier if all the killing just stopped. There are no winners from any of it and plenty of losers. Love thy neighbour as thyself. If only.

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Yeah

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Saturday, November 04, 2023, 13:44 (28 days ago) @ ,ndo

^ What the people who root for either side like a sports team never quite comprehend.

Hamas was created and astroturfed as a religious alternative to the PLO is my understanding. Then just like al-Qaeda they got too big for their britches.

Israel Is Forced To Be Ruthless

by FSK, Saturday, November 04, 2023, 14:19 (28 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

If Israel wasn't ruthless, they would have been conquered 70 years ago.

I see "Israel was involved in the creation of Hamas." as an excuse for every bad thing Hamas did since then. That's not valid logic.

Instead of letting foreign aid get smuggled to Hamas, maybe the people who wanted to help the people should have been organizing an opposition group to Hamas?

If Israel followed the same morality as Muslims, all the Palestinians would have been dead a long time ago.

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Israel Is Forced To Be Ruthless

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Saturday, November 04, 2023, 14:37 (28 days ago) @ FSK

It's no excuse. Israel facilitated Hamas just as the US built up Al-Qaeda to further its goal of taking down the USSR. We're partly to blame for 9/11 and other terrorism.

I'm not assigning blame but it is karmic, and these massive intelligence organizations like CIA shit all over the world with this stuff.

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Israel Is Forced To Be Ruthless

by ,ndo, Certifiable!, Saturday, November 04, 2023, 18:37 (28 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

Agreed, I too don't excuse Hamas for anything bad that they do.

But the whole "Israel is a victim" thing is sooo tedious. Israel let Hamas into Israel. Israel's pretty-much impervious border was abandoned in one section, allowing Hamas to blow up the huge fence and drive through the new gap. Hamas is wrong for the wrongs Hamas does and Israel is wrong for the wrongs Israel does, FSK. And there are plenty of wrongs to go around.

Hamas Supplies Smuggled In With Food Aid

by JoFrance, Saturday, November 04, 2023, 19:13 (28 days ago) @ FSK

Israel is in a no-win situation when it comes to aid. If they don't do it they risk losing a lot of support. The best thing to do would be for Israel to closely examine all aid trucks and try to catch what they can.

The only reason Hamas still exists is because they have hostages, Israeli and American.

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Great video, clarifies the issues

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Saturday, November 04, 2023, 20:23 (28 days ago) @ JoFrance

This video makes Palestinians seem like a wave of human herpes. Mud people.

Too bad for innocent kids who have to die in this conflict but it seems that they would grow up to become terrorists too.

Great video, clarifies the issues

by JoFrance, Sunday, November 05, 2023, 17:50 (27 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

It does seem that no matter what country takes them in they sow chaos in that society. The kids aren't that innocent. They're indoctrinated to hate Jews from a young age so by the time they grow into adults they are filled with hatred. They are a sick bunch of people.

What mother raises their children to be suicide bombers?

Why won't Muslim Nations take in the Palestinians as Refugees?

by FSK, Sunday, November 05, 2023, 00:21 (27 days ago) @ JoFrance

The real reason is not "the Palestinians are troublemakers".

The whole point of Palestinian refugees is that they create a permanent unsolvable crisis for Israel. If the refugees were allowed to leave Gaza and the West Bank, then Israel would no longer have a problem with periodic wars with the Palestinian refugees.

They also are useful idiot cannon fodder. Iran wants to go to war with Israel, but they don't share a border with Israel and open war is risky. Instead, they get to use Gaza/Hamas as proxy soldiers, providing arms and strategy smuggled into Gaza.

They also give massive foreign aid and encourage them to have max children. This further exacerbates the demographic problem. There were only 700k people displaced in 1948, and Israel probably could absorb 700k people if they had to. There now are 7M. Israel can't absorb that many people. If they were given the right to vote, Israel would have an Arab majority.

There also probably would be open civil war between Palestinians and Israel if they were allowed unlimited access to Israel. That's the whole reason the border wall was built in the first place, to prevent suicide bombings and terrorism.

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Ok, Answer me:

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Sunday, November 05, 2023, 00:36 (27 days ago) @ FSK

The whole point of Palestinian refugees is that they create a permanent unsolvable crisis for Israel. If the refugees were allowed to leave Gaza and the West Bank, then Israel would no longer have a problem with periodic wars with the Palestinian refugees.

You're making it sound as if the Palestinian problem plays into Israel's interests. Does it?

If not, whose interests is it serving to "keep" them in Gaza?

Are you saying basically that Arab countries won't consider allowing Gazan resettlement in their borders because the status quo keeps conflict alive and gives Iran and others an ongoing pretext for attacking Israel?

What I'm trying to grasp (excuse me if you already said this) is who is doing this?

I'm open to the notion that Israel, or the Muslim Arab nations, or both, desire a perma-war. But I don't have any feeling for it.

Ok, Answer me:

by FSK, Sunday, November 05, 2023, 00:53 (27 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

The Arab countries will settle for nothing less than the eradication of Israel. The Palestinian crisis creates a continual low-level war with Israel. They've made temporary peace treaties with Israel, but they would invade and conquer Israel the moment they think they can win.

This was the arrangement made in the 1960s, that the Palestinians would be forced to stay in the West Bank and Gaza until Israel is defeated.

Who does it benefit: The Arab countries, who force Israel to spend military effort on the Palestinians instead of other productive uses. It also creates bad press for Israel in Western media.

Israel tried to purchase the disputed land from the Palestinians and make arrangement for them to be resettled elsewhere. The Arabs refused.

Israel is in a no-win situation. They can't make peace, because every offer is rejected. They can't hold a ceasefire, because they will be attacked eventually. The can't wipe out the Palestinians and murder all of them, due to defective Western morality.

If Israel tries to wipe out Hamas, that is impossible without substantial civilian casualties in Gaza, which makes Israel look bad according to defective Western morality. If Israel offers a ceasefire before wiping out Hamas, that just gives Hamas time to rearm for their next attack. Even if Israel wipes out Hamas, most of the Palestinian population still hates Israel and Jews, so the problem will remain unsolved.

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Slow Learner GOT IT!

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Sunday, November 05, 2023, 01:22 (27 days ago) @ FSK

Ok. Thanks. That sounds like a plausible analysis that fits reality.

The Arab countries will settle for nothing less than the eradication of Israel. The Palestinian crisis creates a continual low-level war with Israel. They've made temporary peace treaties with Israel, but they would invade and conquer Israel the moment they think they can win.

Who does it benefit: The Arab countries, who force Israel to spend military effort on the Palestinians instead of other productive uses. It also creates bad press for Israel in Western media.

I understood these facts separately but that ties it together. Palestine and Hamas are the sword's leading edge of Islamic pressure on Israel.

Israel is in a no-win situation. ...

Certainly. All obvious.

If Israel tries to wipe out Hamas, that is impossible without substantial civilian casualties in Gaza, which makes Israel look bad according to defective Western morality. If Israel offers a ceasefire before wiping out Hamas, that just gives Hamas time to rearm for their next attack. Even if Israel wipes out Hamas, most of the Palestinian population still hates Israel and Jews, so the problem will remain unsolved.

Sucks to be Israel!

But it sounds like Palestinians think it's pretty great and heroic and assures their martyrdom to stay located in Gaza.

Maybe Israel could forcibly airlift all Gazans to the South Shetland Islands.

Slow Learner GOT IT!

by FSK, Sunday, November 05, 2023, 01:47 (27 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

Yes. Hamas and the Palestinians can inflict unlimited cruelty on Israel. No matter what, Israel will never genocide them, IMHO a mistake. The other Arab countries use Hamas to wage a proxy war with Israel, without being openly at war.

Islam values group over individual. To them, sacrificing millions of lives to harass Israel is seen as a justified cost. They teach their slaves that they will be rewarded after they die.

Why won't Muslim Nations take in the Palestinians as Refugees?

by JoFrance, Sunday, November 05, 2023, 18:32 (27 days ago) @ FSK
edited by JoFrance, Sunday, November 05, 2023, 18:37

Undoubtedly, Iran is waging a proxy war with Israel using Hamas and Hezbollah, with the Palestinians as useful idiots.

If Iran was ever taken out of the picture, that would solve a lot of Israel's problems. I don't know how that can happen at this point with Biden/Obama as president. They've propped up Iran with $$$ so they can wage the proxy war.

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