Here's what happens if the election is unresolved after Election Day (Public Board)

by IT guy, Saturday, September 05, 2020, 12:02 (15 days ago)

There's been a lot of talk that the election will be close and neither side would be willing to concede. Here's what happens in that situation:

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https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-biden-election-john-yoo

John Yoo: Trump and Biden could face dramatic post-election battle — here’s what might happen


But if the election is close this year — as many prognosticators predict — and a few battleground states fail to report their votes on time, then neither President Trump nor former Vice President Biden might be able to assemble the required 270 electoral votes needed to become president.

If such a stalemate occurs, a constitutional fail-safe would throw the election into the House of Representatives. Our nation barely avoided that outcome 20 years ago and has only used it twice in our history.

But even though the House will likely remain under Democratic control after the election, the Constitution’s process for resolving disputed elections should still bode well for Trump’s reelection.

How could control of the White House end up in the domain of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.? It depends on the decisions made 230 years ago.

America’s founders rejected the idea that Congress should pick the president, which they believed would rob the chief executive of independence, responsibility and energy. They wanted the American people to have the primary hand in choosing the president. But the founders wanted the choice mediated through the states, because they also feared direct democracy.

In a compromise that binds us still, the founders allowed state legislatures to pick electors for the president, based on their number of senators and members of the House combined.


The state-based organization of the Electoral College and its slight advantage for states with small populations (which receive two extra Electoral College votes no matter their population, since every state has two senators) underscore the founders’ desire to give federalism a say in the choice of the president.

The founders went further in designing their constitutional backup. They realized that the Electoral College might yield no majority winner. They expected that regions might support their favorite sons instead.

In Article II of the Constitution, as modified by the 12th Amendment, the framers established that if no one won a majority of Electoral College votes, the House would pick the president from the top three vote-getters.

But Pelosi and the Democrats — assuming that they hold onto their majority in the House — still won’t pick the president. Rather than allowing a simple majority vote in the House to select the president, the Constitution requires that the House choose the president by voting as state delegations. That means that California (represented by 53 House members) and Delaware (represented by 1 House member) would each get a single vote to pick the president.

Once again, the founders decided to amplify the voice of the states in the presidential selection process, rather than defaulting to pure democracy.

And that is how Trump could win the presidency again. If the Electoral College votes yield no majority winner Dec. 14, the Constitution sends the vote to the House.

Thanks to Republican advantages among the states, rather than the cities, the current balance of state delegations in the House favors Republicans, with 26 delegations controlled by Republicans and 23 controlled by Democrats (Pennsylvania is tied). If today’s House chose the president by voting by state delegations, Trump would win.

But there is one more twist. The 20th Amendment to the Constitution seats a new Congress on Jan. 3, but does not begin the term of a new president until noon on Jan. 20. That means the new House chosen in the November election, rather than the current House, would choose the president if neither Trump nor Biden wins an Electoral College majority.

Even though Republicans currently have a majority of House delegations, Democrats have narrowed the gap. After the 2016 elections, Republicans had held a 32-17 advantage in House delegations. If Democrats can win one more congressional seat in Pennsylvania and then flip one more delegation, they could achieve a 25-25 tie in the House in January.

Under this scenario, the election would require political bargaining of the most extreme kind for the House to resolve a disputed presidential election.

But suppose the House can’t agree, which could well be likely given the polarization of our politics. The Constitution even provides for this.

If the House splits 25-25 between Trump and Biden, then the 20th Amendment elevates the vice president-elect to the presidency. Under the 20th Amendment, when the Electoral College fails, the Senate chooses the vice president.

But unlike the House procedure, the senators each have an individual vote, meaning that under the current balance in the upper chamber, 53 Republicans would choose Mike Pence to effectively become the next president.


But one-third of the seats in the Senate will be filled in the November election, meaning control of the chamber could flip to the Democrats. Under this scenario, Democratic vice presidential nominee Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., could wind up as our next president and make history as the first woman to hold the office in American history.

All of this is as complicated as it sounds. Election Day could be just the start of a new phase in a prolonged fight for control of the White House, rather than the conclusion of a long campaign.

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That was interesting. It's comforting to know that Nancy Pelosi would not become President as has been rumored. Nor Biden automatically be elected President even if they still control the house.

Even if neither Trump nor Biden concede, Mike Pence could be the President when all is said and done. Or *shudder* Kamala Harris.

What do you all think about Pence becoming President? It would be interesting to see how the left would react. Would they treat him just as bad as they treat Trump? Would Pence continue the Trump movement or the establishment RINOs be back in control of the party?

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by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Saturday, September 05, 2020, 12:27 (15 days ago) @ IT guy

In my opinion, a Mike Pence presidency would be almost exactly like George Bush (43rd) without the war mongering. He can be assertive but his style is not within a light year of Trump's. Bush was a moderate evangelical and Pence is more so. And like Bush, Pence doesn't let memorable one liners rip. Not saying he's inarticulate but he's very low key.

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by IT guy, Saturday, September 05, 2020, 13:33 (15 days ago) @ Pepe the Programmer

And we know that GWB was an establishment Republican. I was actually a supporter of the guy and his administration....at least when he was first elected and his first term. No way would I have voted for John Kerry but during GWB's second term, I had enough. No wonder he led the way to Obama being elected.

The Iraq war is big a stain on his legacy, which Trmp has called him out on.

So Pence would be better than Biden but it would be back to the status quo.

If Pence were to take over, I wonder if the Paul Ryans and Bill Krystols of the party would return. Also Mitch McConnell would more likely get his way. Perhaps a Pence presidency would not be a good thing.

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by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Saturday, September 05, 2020, 13:45 (15 days ago) @ IT guy

This isn't even a debate. Look what the Dems stand for now. Pence would not be ideal but he would sustain the country another 4 years. I wasn't thinking so much in the comparison with Bush about his being aligned with neocons. I meant in the more general sense that he's a bland establishment Republican.

I wouldn't despise Pence. I'd resign myself to him. He's not a Mitt Romney, I don't believe.

Biden + the background crew of creeps will absolutely destroy the country. They'll stand down to China probably to the extent of explicitly ceding Taiwan, give away more jobs, demonize whites, families and the work ethic, rewrite history, and allow the intersectionalist, BLM and woke faggots to destroy the country.

Pence, without hesitation, if we can't have Trump.

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by IT guy, Saturday, September 05, 2020, 21:22 (15 days ago) @ Pepe the Programmer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzj2mo2Q57I

Gotcha

I would agree. Pence is kind of "meh" but would be solid. Could make a good next President (in 2024 of course :)).

Do you think Biden himself is a creep or just merely surrounded by them? Until recently, Biden has been known as a "moderate" Democrat. He never struck me as a horrible or evil guy, but a career politician that is not very effective (other than bring in that group of Dems AND Repubs that sold the middle class down the river but anyway....).

He then made a "deal with the devil". Here is a 110 page document that was written to bring Biden further to the left.

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/08/889189235/democratic-task-forces-deliver-biden-a-blueprint-for-a-progressive-presidency

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by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Sunday, September 06, 2020, 00:25 (14 days ago) @ IT guy

I think at present Biden is an empty vessel and is playing the role because he wants to and because he has been intensely pressured to run by the highest levels of the Democratic party.

Who, by the way, wound up allowing much more viable and action oriented candidates to get destroyed. The duties of POTUS are clearly way over his head. Like you said, I don't see him at all as evil, more as a typical hypocritical Washington operator who feathered his own bed. He's a puppet and has 0 personal integrity or dignity. What decent professional would allow themselves to be used as a sock puppet? Joe Biden, who is neither.

The point is that behind the scenes operators will be directing his actions as president. The document proves that.

He's just so illucid at present that I can't imagine him getting through the inauguration without fucking it up. He'd be a president who upon inauguration completely fits the criteria of the 25th amendment.

Everyone would know it, but because woke and because orange hitler he's great.

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by IT guy, Sunday, September 06, 2020, 00:53 (14 days ago) @ Pepe the Programmer

I think at present Biden is an empty vessel and is playing the role because he wants to and because he has been intensely pressured to run by the highest levels of the Democratic party.

They tried to get him to run in 2016. If he did, he could very well have won. One reason Trump won is because Hillary is so unlikeable.

Who, by the way, wound up allowing much more viable and action oriented candidates to get destroyed. The duties of POTUS are clearly way over his head.

Are you saying that because of his obvious medical condition? Or you don't think he ever had what it took?

Like you said, I don't see him at all as evil, more as a typical hypocritical Washington operator who feathered his own bed. He's a puppet and has 0 personal integrity or dignity. What decent professional would allow themselves to be used as a sock puppet? Joe Biden, who is neither.

It's almost like this whole thing was planned.

Right before Covid was a thing, remember Biden's campaign was on the ropes? Covid hits and then he's suddenly quietly winning primaries. Bernie's lead quickly evaporated and then Biden slid into the driver's seat. I'm not saying the Dems were behind Covid but it was a weird coincedence how all that played out.

The point is that behind the scenes operators will be directing his actions as president. The document proves that.

Definitely

He's just so illucid at present that I can't imagine him getting through the inauguration without fucking it up. He'd be a president who upon inauguration completely fits the criteria of the 25th amendment.

Heh. BTW Slick Willie stepped out of his crypt the other day and said something about Trump not attending "Biden's inauguration" because he'll be stacking sandbags in front of the White House.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2241770/Video-Clinton-says-Trump-stacking-sandbags-stay-WH.html

He called him "evil" in another part of the interview. Thought he was staying out of the fray but Hillary must be getting on his ass.

Everyone would know it, but because woke and because orange hitler he's great.

Yeah, how many times did this guy run unsucessfully over the past 30+ years?

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Clyburn

by ,ndo, Shit for brains, Sunday, September 06, 2020, 01:21 (14 days ago) @ IT guy

Right before Covid was a thing, remember Biden's campaign was on the ropes? Covid hits and then he's suddenly quietly winning primaries.

In fact it was Jim Clyburn coming out publicly for Biden just before the South Carolina primary that started Biden's wins. I interpreted Clyburn as the signal from the establishment that everyone was to hop on board the Biden train, because that's exactly what happened, including candidates ahead of Biden withdrawing from the running obscenely quickly.

Clyburn

by IT guy, Sunday, September 06, 2020, 02:02 (14 days ago) @ ,ndo

Great point! Forgot about that.

Uncle Joe

by JoFrance, Sunday, September 06, 2020, 18:22 (14 days ago) @ IT guy

I've always thought Joe Biden was the throw away candidate for the Dem party because he's too old to run again. They know they're not going to beat Trump so they didn't want to waste one of their future "stars" on this election. They also know Biden is an empty shell at this point, so if he did win he can be easily manipulated and will allow a shadow government to call the shots. The Dems love that!

It looks like Bernie Sanders and the progressives will have a big say in how Biden will run the country. I used to think Joe Biden was a decent, more moderate Democrat, but its all a facade. He's the ultimate insider career politician that never did anything for the people that elected him. He enriched himself and his family and friends.

I really hope that the mail in voting doesn't turn into a massive debacle, but really, how could it not because of the sheer volume of votes? I know Trump is suing my state (NJ) and other states because of that, but who knows what that will mean in the end.

I really don't want a President Pence. He's definitely better than any Democrat, but he's more of an establishment type. I agree he was a counterweight to Trump. His other choice for VP at that time was Chris Christie (yikes!). Could you imagine that? Two pirates.

The funny thing is that President Trump doesn't seem to be worried about any of this. Maybe he knows something we don't?

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Here's what happens if the election is unresolved after Election Day

by ,ndo, Shit for brains, Sunday, September 06, 2020, 00:33 (14 days ago) @ IT guy

As far as I can tell, Pence was the establishment's counterweight to Trump. If that's the case then a Pence presidency would be a big step backward. But the Demunists would be so much worse they would make Pence look good.

The media and other thought shapers would back off a bit because Pence is not the existential threat that Trump is but they would still go hard because he is a part of Trump's organisation and they have to maintain the facade that the Trump approach is a danger to the US (whereas it is a danger to the establishment).

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^ This is what I think too

by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Sunday, September 06, 2020, 00:36 (14 days ago) @ ,ndo

Perfectly stated. Yes, that's Pence's role to a T.

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Here's what happens if the election is unresolved after Election Day

by IT guy, Sunday, September 06, 2020, 00:54 (14 days ago) @ ,ndo

Agreed

Well said

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