^ I knew exactly what confrontation you were describing. I think that meeting probably cemented most of the persecution of Trump for the next four years just through pure spite from Democrats.

Mike Pence looks like a textbook description of absolutely useless. Not clueless, since at least he appears to understand the anger in the room. But he has nothing to add or give or provide. A good metaphor for his vice presidency.

Trump fucked up big time selecting him.

I believe Pence was Trump's attempt to provide an olive branch to the brain dead segment of the old RINO establishment that prefers people like Mitt Romney because they are empty vessels and have no real principles and don't lead. It really didn't work that well and Pence was during his presidency not exactly a liability but not in any way an asset either. Like most RINOs he just breathed and took up space.