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Trump has gone entertaining full psycho (Public Board)

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Tuesday, January 07, 2025, 21:14 (230 days ago)
edited by Cornpop Sutton, Tuesday, January 07, 2025, 22:25

Trump stated that he would not rule out using military force to annex Greenland.

U S A! U S A! U S A!

My wife thinks he's just shit talking in order to throw everyone off balance.

I tend to agree.

Plus... "The Gulf of America". :-D :-D :-D

Plus annexing Canada.

Ha ha ha ha ha!

Trump has gone entertaing full psycho

by JoFrance, Tuesday, January 07, 2025, 21:40 (230 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

He's on a roll. I think it makes sense for us to take Greenland, but not with military force. Yeah, he's just talking shit. At least I hope so. The last thing we need is Canada. We already have too many left-wing loons.

a diversion?

by IT guy, Wednesday, January 08, 2025, 23:23 (229 days ago) @ JoFrance

I wonder if all this Canada/Greenland/Panama talk is a smokescreen to distract people to take the media attention off of his nominees. If so, that is good thinking. That's exactly what Congress does when they pass a bill that screws the population as they tend to do it when there is something else in the news cycle to distract the masses.

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Ambit claims

by ,ndo, No refunds or exchanges! Fullstop!, Wednesday, January 08, 2025, 17:20 (229 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

Do you have that expression? Ambit claims? In negotiations, ask for more than you want and allow yourself to be negotiated backward toward your real wishes. It's a common tactic here especially by trade unions.

When Trump made all these claims, that is how it struck me. As we know, he can't be taken literally...

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Ambit claims

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Wednesday, January 08, 2025, 19:39 (229 days ago) @ ,ndo

No, you speak furrin, you furriner.

Sometimes you post something that sounds vaguely English like and sometimes you lapse into your own tribal argot.

:-D :-D :-D

Never heard the term, seriously. We both have idioms the other wouldn't have a clue about.

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What's the Yank word then

by ,ndo, No refunds or exchanges! Fullstop!, Wednesday, January 08, 2025, 22:14 (229 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

?

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Ambit claims

by ,ndo, No refunds or exchanges! Fullstop!, Wednesday, January 08, 2025, 22:19 (229 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

I go easy on you lot. If I spoke normal English you wouldn't understand half of it.

There was a bloke from Melbourne on the Joel board who gratuitously piled on the slang. What a wanker.

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Ambit claims

by ,ndo, No refunds or exchanges! Fullstop!, Wednesday, January 08, 2025, 22:24 (229 days ago) @ ,ndo

Then again, Melbournites generally are.

Socialists too. The two are probably related.

Ambit claims

by JoFrance, Thursday, January 09, 2025, 19:16 (228 days ago) @ ,ndo

We don't have a word like ambit, but this is how Trump negotiates. Throw out some outrageous ideas and then work back to an agreeable solution. Trump doesn't want Canada, but he's negotiating a better deal than what we have now. We give Canada a lot of money and it has to stop. They don't even stop illegal immigration from their borders into the US.

Anyway, Canada has gotten used to Biden's complacency but when confronted with Trump's threat of tariffs, Canada realizes they need to work out a fairer deal

The US needs to ally with Greenland, because they have a strategic location. Considering the state of the world today it would be militarily advantageous for the US and Nato. Its a territory of Denmark now, but that could change.

The US built the Panama Canal but we don't control it. We never should have given control of it away but unfortunately it needs like $3B of work now because its in disrespair. Panama can't repair it and they want us to, but at the same time they charge us higher shipping fees if we use it. We've been getting screwed by them for awhile and its not going to happen any more now that Trump is back.

I'm loving this ambit.

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Ambit claims

by ,ndo, No refunds or exchanges! Fullstop!, Friday, January 10, 2025, 05:02 (228 days ago) @ JoFrance

it needs like $3B of work now because its in disrespair

That is news to me. Good to know, thank you.

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Trump has gone entertaining full psycho

by ,ndo, No refunds or exchanges! Fullstop!, Wednesday, January 08, 2025, 18:33 (229 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

I read an interesting suggestion that perhaps Trump's expansionist claims are cover for a withdrawal from Ukraine. Could be.

Either way, I do believe that Trump genuinely would want Greenland if he could get it. Strategic location and natural resources. He had a go at it last time.

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Arguments in favor of taking Greenland semi- by force

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Wednesday, January 08, 2025, 19:55 (229 days ago) @ ,ndo

The only argument I can think of counter to the idea of taking Greenland through, say, hostile trade policy and sanctions would be that Greenland simply isn't ours to take.

But big real life facts:

Greenland harbors enormous natural resources that are mostly unexploited and unknown and ready for prospecting

Greenland is probably almost indefensible by Denmark, a tiny nation with a small GDP.

Being indefensible: if valuable resources were discovered in Greenland, then being a territory of a tiny nation, even with NATO support, it could be readily invaded or exploited by any powerful enough country. China, India or Russia, easy.

Being indefensible and with murky legal status, no commercial interest would want to risk long term large scale exploitation of Greenland natural resources without guarantees of security for assets and people, since a discovery, say of lithium could cause other countries to perk up interest.

Antarctica was in a similar legal status and it was carved up into pie sliced wedges for many of the world's powers as special interest zones/sorta territories. You could argue that maybe Greenland should be handled the same way but OTOH the world is not what it was when the treaty was signed in 1959.

If you read the map legend on this map:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Antarctic_political_map.png

It says that neither RU or the USA recognize other country's territorial claims. Russia and the US are the shitheads of the world. :-D

Since Greenland is not likely to be exploited for natural resources without direct stewardship by a powerful enough country, then IMO the US has a moral pretext for a takeover of sorts. It's either we do so or Russia or China (more likely China) would overrun the coast and defend it as new territory. It may as well be us.

In return the US would provide security guarantees to commercial operations and I imagine would provide very generous security and foreign aid assistance to Denmark as compensation.

As it is now Greenland is a wasteland, unused.

This of course assumes that "higher use" (as lawyers and realtors like to say) is a priority over just letting the pretty glaciers that nobody can travel to anyway stay pristine.

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Arguments in favor of taking Greenland semi- by force

by ,ndo, No refunds or exchanges! Fullstop!, Wednesday, January 08, 2025, 22:12 (229 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

Clearly the superior path is to buy Denmark. You get Greenland automatically, you get a beachhead into Europe, control over the Russian Baltic naval and merchant fleets, control over the North Sea, lots of scope for military bases, unhindered access to blowing up any Nordstream at any time, and Danish women.

This business with Greenland is merely an opening gambit.

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Hmmmm

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Wednesday, January 08, 2025, 23:30 (229 days ago) @ ,ndo

Strokes chin contemplatively...

Curve ball there, ,ndo.

Arguments in favor of taking Greenland semi- by force

by JoFrance, Saturday, January 11, 2025, 17:46 (226 days ago) @ ,ndo

Greenland is interested in talking to Trump and Denmark has responded to Trump. I'm not sure how they feel about dumping Greenland, but they might be interested. Denmark has a King so it could be a little tricky trying to buy Denmark.

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