DEI is Sabotage

by FSK, Sunday, April 07, 2024, 19:04 (22 days ago) @ JoFrance

The philosophy of DEI was invented by Communists. The "revolt of the working class" didn't happen like they expected, so they rebranded everything as race struggle instead of class struggle.

The whole point of DEI is that, instead of hiring by ability, you have race quotas.

It's even more harmful when everyone decides at the same time to aggressively hire for DEI. There just isn't a qualified pool of experienced "diverse" people. People wind up being promoted into jobs they aren't qualified for.

It is a massive sabotage to the US economy. Not only do you have to hire for DEI quotas, but you then have to pretend they're actually qualified for their jobs. You can't just park them in jobs where they can't do damage. You have to put the DEI hires in places where they have real responsibilities.

I see this at work. There are blacks and women who obviously were only hired for DEI. They're so unqualified compared to everyone else. But I can't say anything, or that's harassment and I would get fired. Further, they're used to coasting through their career having their ass kissed, even though they're unqualified for their jobs. They have an attitude problem like they're super geniuses even though they know nothing.

For example, they suggest a dumb idea. Fortunately, cooler heads prevail and it wasn't implemented. But the only reason we turned down their idea was "racism" or "sexism". No other reason is valid in their mind. Not only are they unqualified for their jobs, but they can't even improve because any criticism of them is a microaggression.

DEI is Sabotage

by JoFrance, Monday, April 08, 2024, 19:12 (21 days ago) @ FSK

That DEI is sabotage makes sense. Boeing is committing suicide if they don't change direction. No one wants to buy or fly unsafe, poorly maintained planes. They've been lucky that no one was harmed by their defective planes, so far.

I can't believe that companies aren't fighting back against DEI race quotas. It prevents them from hiring the most qualified person for a job and makes no sense at all. Once a company hires a DEI person, they're probably stuck with them and can't get rid of them because "racism or sexism". It'll cost them in the end.

DEI is Sabotage

by FSK, Monday, April 08, 2024, 23:55 (21 days ago) @ JoFrance

Why do corporations put up with DEI?

There are three reasons.

1. Even though they are public corporations, there are a few index funds and hedge funds that control almost all the shares. Blackrock (Larry Fink), Vanguard, Schwab, Fidelity, and few others own a controlling voting share in every corporation. Even if it is less than 50%, their voting bloc gives them effective control.

Larry Fink and friends are the ones pushing DEI. Any CEO or Board of Directors who resisted would lose their jobs. Being on the Board of Directors of a public corporation is a high-pay low-effort job. Why ruin your gravy train by pissing off Larry Fink? Some people serve on multiple boards. Plus, these sorts of people tend to be empty suit cucks anyway.

2. Larry Fink and the big banks have successfully tied a corporation's bond rating to its ESG score. Pretty much every large corporation is dependent on borrowing money at cheap rates. For example, if a corporation does $5B profit on $100B sales, they're probably borrowing $95B. If they aren't able to borrow cheaply, there goes their business model.

3. If a CEO came out publicly saying that DEI was bullshit, all his "diverse" employees would promptly sue him for causing a "hostile work environment". Being rude to someone in any way can now be creatively interpreted as grounds for a lawsuit.

In a sense, corporations are doubly screwed. They can't refuse to hire "diverse" people, because then they get sued for discrimination. But once they hire them, they can't just put them in a corner earning a paycheck for doing nothing. They have to give them real responsibilities. But, any attempt to hold them accountable for doing their job is "microaggressions" or "creating a hostile work environment".

So they're screwed either way. Get sued for not hiring "diverse" people (i.e. lowering standards to hire them). But once hired, there is no path to force them to attempt to perform their jobs.

At work, there are a couple of "diverse" woefully unqualified people. Do you know what happens? After a few years, they quit and presumably got a higher-paying job elsewhere! After being completely unqualified for their job, they're still able to get an even better job. The presumption is "They were in this job for a few years without getting fired, so they must be qualified for the next rung on the corporate ladder." Also, they're desperate to hire and promote someone to fill their own DEI quota. But it's impossible to fire someone who is hired for diversity.

DEI is Sabotage

by JoFrance, Tuesday, April 09, 2024, 20:22 (20 days ago) @ FSK

It really is a no win situation for corporations when it comes to DEI. Big banks shouldn't be able to tie a bond rating to an ESG score. That can't be allowed to stand because it hurts a lot businesses in so many ways. Especially if they hire some of these DEI people for key positions.

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Another factor in lack of quality in maintenance, assembly and services

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Sunday, April 07, 2024, 20:16 (22 days ago) @ JoFrance
edited by Cornpop Sutton, Sunday, April 07, 2024, 22:45

We pound the right wing stuff ad nauseum on this forum and the stock nostrums bore my ass off. Sometimes it's DEI/whatever and sometimes there are other things at play.

I SERIOUSLY doubt it was unqualified DEI/diversity hires willfully fucking things up like a big joke, and I also SERIOUSLY doubt that it was sabotage.

I suggest an alternative factor which is orthogonal to the whole DEI thing but is also a prevailing feature of our time -

Impatience, lack of mindfulness, and hurry up mentality, combined with carelessness and not giving a shit. Everyone, everywhere from what I have experienced.

This has become pervasive in our culture. In public someone is always up your ass to hurry up or is tailgating you or is rolling their eyes that you're taking too much God Damned Fucking time to do whatever you are doing that is blocking their need for speed. I mean God Damn You anyway, I should KILL you because you didn't pull away from the light to suit my speed. Die, die, die.

That's what I get in vibes going out anywhere in public, either walking through the grocery, driving, or going about some business.

Well, you either experience this as people breathing down your throat or up your ass. Or you are among the millions of asshat thoughtless normies doing these things and wishing people ahead of you in your way would horribly die and vanish so you could do stuff faster.

It crosses party lines, races, and levels of competency.

Case study in the workplace, I'm certain that these stories are, ahem, "legion":

My wife took a production job - making small custom electronic pieces for a local medical equipment vendor - about 2 years ago. Stuff that was of too small production runs to be able to be produced cost effectively by machines, such as winding small coils or fabricating test probes. She lasted about 3 weeks, and quit. From the first day OTJ her manager was insulting her productivity and her personally, and treating her to her face like a retard. The people my wife saw who seemed well thought of by management were super fast and not particularly careful. She got sick of being dissed, was certain she was being set up to the fired, and left.

So I could see the management in the crew that maintained that plane being ridden hard to just get boxes checked off on inspection forms, and the techs themselves had learned to not give a shit.

I even see it out our living room window. The guy across the street has a riding mower that he drives on his lawn like he's in a drag race. I used to think of riding mowers as having a cup holder for your beer while you enjoyably mow your lawn. Not this guy, it's totally 100% about impatience and reckless speed. This neighbor's gonna flip his mower sometime. And he's a decent guy to my face.

This attitude of rushing and inattention is without doubt prevalent in most occupations now. Maybe not with surgeons, hopefully.

I mean, just try to tell me there isn't a lot to this. It's a cultural shift I've seen take hold since the pandemic, maybe around 2020.

I believe this impatience and recklessness is the natural reaction to full time jobs being reduced to part time, rampant inflation, and loss of civility from the COVID lockdowns. We feel like a different country than we did in 2019.

Boeing Fired All Their Old White Males

by FSK, Sunday, April 07, 2024, 23:20 (22 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

Boeing fired all their experienced workers (old white males) and replaced them with H1bs, offshored their jobs, made DEI hires, or other inexperienced hires.

Boeing used to be really anal retentive about quality. Now, if someone makes a complaint about shoddy work, they're just slowing things down and harshing their buzz.

Once the institutional knowledge is gone it isn't coming back. Even if Boeing wanted to go back to making a high-quality product, they can't anymore.

It's the same way Disney can't make good movies anymore. All the people who knew how to make good movies were fired. The replacements don't have the experience or ability to make a good movie. Disney lost the institutional knowledge of how to make good movies.

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Boeing Fired All Their Old White Males

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Sunday, April 07, 2024, 23:30 (22 days ago) @ FSK

Thanks for the background, I had no idea. Ugh.

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Reviewed this - OK, look, it wasn't Boeing...

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Monday, April 08, 2024, 21:16 (21 days ago) @ FSK

Apparently when the engine covers blew off it was a ground crew maintenance issue. The plane had been in service several years.

Do airline ground crews get hired by DEI now?

I assume a smaller entity like an airport hires whomever it needs and DEI pressure on an airport is not as much as on a major corporation.

I hold to my premise that "people today" are distracted and inattentive and that this is as plausible a reason for such failures as DEI.

Also, why has nobody mentioned this event?

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Twilight Zone

by IT guy, Monday, April 08, 2024, 22:44 (21 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

LOL.....I like the reference to that episode. I was thinking the same thing.

Shatner is still kicking at 93 btw and doesn't look a day over 70.

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Twilight Zone

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Monday, April 08, 2024, 23:17 (21 days ago) @ IT guy

Wm Shatner is a national treasure, period full stop. The more deplorable he gets the more I like the guy. I used to think he was a douche back in the 70s. Things have come full circle.

Yes, Repair Crews Are DEI Now

by FSK, Monday, April 08, 2024, 23:47 (21 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton
edited by FSK, Monday, April 08, 2024, 23:58

Pretty much every job nowadays has DEI quotas.

Also, some of the repairs are performed by the airline. Some are performed by Boeing as it goes back for periodic checkups. For example, the door plug that flew off an airplane was last repaired by Boeing.

Another factor in lack of quality in maintenance, assembly and services

by IT guy, Monday, April 08, 2024, 22:58 (21 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

You sound like my dad when you talk about being out in public. He has complained about the same. I am guessing that you have noticed a significant increase of people over time? Overpopulation is an issue that nobody brings up or wants to address.

You brought up the workplace. I must admit I'm guilty of that sometimes - sacrificing quality for speed. Here's the deal. When management tends to hire people for reasons having nothing to do with merit, there are so many people brought into companies that don't know how to do anything other than talk. There are an excessive number of PM types, product managers, managers, etc. There are not enough people around to handle the grunt work so these groups tend to be shorthanded and overworked which leads to the pressure to produce more which increases the # of mistakes. It's a vicious cycle.

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Another factor in lack of quality in maintenance, assembly and services

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Monday, April 08, 2024, 23:15 (21 days ago) @ IT guy

How old is your dad if I may be nosy? Just comparing notes.

I posted something a few days ago about noticing a sharp uptick in hearing Spanish and various other languages (possibly Arabic, Chinese, and other nationalities I can't recognize) around my podunk assed small Ohio suburb.

I linked this to Biden's stealth human trafficking of 300K or so so-called "newcomers", IE illegals. It seems unusual and a break of centuries old human migration patterns to hear these languages in a small town that has no industries or other magnets for foreign workers. This town is redneck, not cosmopolitan (P&G is based near us and is basically "United Colors of Benetton" but those workers don't come anywhere near this town except during festivals and events.)

Another factor in lack of quality in maintenance, assembly and services

by IT guy, Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 23:12 (19 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

Mid 60s

So these people are just collecting handouts and not working?

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Another factor in lack of quality in maintenance, assembly and services

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 23:40 (19 days ago) @ IT guy

Mid 60s

Same (unfortunately. Mental age about 11 :-D )

So these people are just collecting handouts and not working?

No, I didn't mean that... I just described hearing what sounds like an international bazaar when out in public in a dumbass Ohio small town. I have no idea who these people are or why all of a sudden foreign speakers are so numerous where five years ago they were non-existent except in small Mexican communities.

Another factor in lack of quality in maintenance, assembly and services

by JoFrance, Thursday, April 11, 2024, 17:39 (18 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

It sounds like you're in one of the towns in NJ. There are towns here where you don't know what country you're in anymore. We've had so much immigration here, legal and illegal, it has ruined much of the state. They do not assimilate, they set up their own communities.

Where I live, which is more rural, there is not as much. There is nothing here for them. No buses, limited train access and its quite expensive. The few that I've seen are mostly landscape workers. This has remained mostly a cow town. There are a lot of small family owned farms.

Another factor in lack of quality in maintenance, assembly and services

by IT guy, Thursday, April 11, 2024, 21:43 (18 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

Interesting

Although I will say that the last time I was in the countryside, I saw busloads of Mexicans being used in the farm fields to detassle corn. That used to be a job for kids in high school. Also saw quite a few Spanish-speaking people at the blueberry patch. No idea if they were illegal immigrants but they didn't seem to understand English.

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Another factor in lack of quality in maintenance, assembly and services

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Thursday, April 11, 2024, 22:08 (18 days ago) @ IT guy

^ Quite different thing than illegals. Mexicans have been used in agriculture as temporary field hands for decades.

Sic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvest_of_Shame

I'm talking about the modern plague of forcibly integrated illegals who are being flown into various states and given rent money, debit cards and cell phones. Who don't work much less pick crops. I wondered if the new foreign accents I hear around me are from that vector.

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