Trump bombed Iran after negotiations failed

Iran's three worst nuclear sites are gone after the bombings, but do you think they took some of the centrifuges out of them prior to the bombing? Israel said they knocked out the power to the nuclear sites and it would damage the centrifuges, but then I've seen articles saying satellite images show them loading up trucks with something a couple of days before the bombing.

I don't think it ends the threat from Iran. Maybe the bombings set them back a few years, but they're going to keep pursuing it. Maybe they salvaged the most important parts from their nuclear program for future use. What do you think?

- Their nuclear programs (particularly weapons grade enrichment) are mainly for national and regime pride, similar to the space program or the US/USSR/China's same weapons programs.

- I personally gut level never felt that Iran posed a threat of first strike even if they did come up with an atom bomb. Again, it's mainly a bargaining club and national prestige thing.

- Iran is a highly developed, educated society. We cratered their centrifuges years ago by infecting the PLCs that ran them with malware. They rebuilt anyway.

- Militarily they may be a paper tiger.

- Espionage and proxy wise, Iran has tremendous reach with their networks such as Houthis, weapons smuggling, etc. That is probably their greatest military asset and those types of outreaches are impossible to target effectively.

- Likewise they are considered tops in infiltration, and the US may experience grid failures or worse because of Iranian proxies.

Personally, I think Iran was already fairly well boxed in and major bombardment was not necessary.

There are a lot of unknowns about Iran's hidden strengths and the nature of its alliance with Russia. I personally believe that confronting them per instance was more reasonable and predictable than basically carpet bombing their nuclear sites and destroying infrastructure. Probably less "war" would be less costly in the long run.

The fewer countries with nuclear weapons the better IMHO.

In the old days, I sorta trust the USA and the USSR to talk to each other before launching a nuclear strike. These days, USA and Russia, same. They are sorta mature in this respect. I don't trust any other country. Especially non-Christian ones. Granted, USSR was non-Christian and anti-religion. Perhaps in this case anti-religion is sorta anti-non-Christian?

I preferred that Iran lost its capability without being bombed.

This guy's take is exactly as I see it. This is the George Bush Iraq War 2.0, Complete with total hypocrisy and total lack of clue. I never realized Trump was so absolutely full of shit that he lets Israel pull his strings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3oXSe79KnY

Prediction: this hardens Iran. Which will strike back in indeterminate ways.

Trump took out the nuclear sites because Iran said they would continue enriching Uranium. They were getting closer to weapons-grade enrichment and Iran would not negotiate, so BOOM. Trump gave them plenty of chances to make a deal and they wouldn't do it.

Trump is not a neocon like Bush was. His only objective was that Iran should never have a nuclear weapon. He accomplished that and made the world a safer place. This isn't like Iraq. There is no regime change by the US. There is no nation building and no troops on the ground. If regime change happens it will be done by the people.

So far Iran and Israel have agreed to a ceasefire. I guess Iran finally decided to negotiate after all. They've been beaten and we'll see what happens next.

He was basically taking orders from Netanyahu.

Netanyahu has a LONG track record of championing the regime changes in the Middle East that have turned the region into a shithole. He claimed years ago on camera that toppling Iraq and Libya would improved the middle east.

The US government is corrupted by AIPAC money and the Israel lobby. We literally do anything Israel demands.

This is 100% wrong and Trump has persisted in this pattern.

Secondly, I don't believe this was a slam dunk one and done. The administration has absolutely no idea what was destroyed and what the Iranians managed to salvage. The US made holes in the ground, that's all they or anyone except the Iranians know.

Thirdly, no, I don't believe Trump is a neocon either, but he is a patsy for Israel, and he is also foolhardy for not seeing the pattern of history. More war == more instability.

I believe that Trump has few principles and is otherwise extremely malleable. He does have some principles. I think.

Except he has demonized the only two congresspeople, Rand Paul and Thomas Massey, who stand on actual principle. So he does not appear to comprehend individuals who stand on honor and who are not partisan robots. He could have stayed quiet because these two were huge Trump supporters. This by itself shows that Trump just reacts and doesn't maintain any personal loyalty when he is challenged. It undercuts Trump's realness to me. Now when I read a tweet or post from him I'm thinking "yeah, yeah, big fucking talker."

And he has pushed a spending package that raises the debt ceiling by $5T. He doesn't seem to understand the macroeconomic impact of the national debt. Or he doesn't care. So... Trump's principles... difficult to fathom.

I'm having a difficult time at this point discerning what the difference is between a Trump presidency and any dem candidate. Except there is less wokeness. That's a good thing. But not what I voted for. Most of what I'm seeing a Democrat would have probably done. **

No, I don't have TDS. I am highly disappointed so far in this administration.

** Nah, not really. I honestly think that Trump believes that "escalating to de-escalate" is a valid strategy with Iran - not a neocon bid to annex the middle east. And his deportation actions are consistent with his persona.

Trump agrees with Netanyahu that Iran should not be able to continue its nuclear weapon program. He doesn't take orders from Bibi, they have one common goal. Get rid if Iran's nuclear program. After that, Trump's idea is peace in the region. Bibi would love regime change but is so far going along with what Trump wants after Trump read him the riot act.

I like Rand Paul. So does Trump. He is a fiscal hawk and wants to see more spending cuts. That's reasonable. There are things that could be done to the "big beautiful bill" where he could be a yes vote. Thomas Massey is a hard no on a lot of legislation based on his "principles" if he doesn't get everything he wants. In a bill that covers a lot of different issues, there is just no way for him to get everything he wants. He is unreasonable and an asshole. He doesn't like what Trump did in Iran so he's teamed up with Democrats to limit Trump's involvement in Iran with some kind of bipartisan resolution. Massey is a rat.

Trump isn't planning anything further in Iran. He's not starting a war and sending troops. He got rid of their nuclear program that has threatened the US and the world for many years. His involvement now would be making sure Israel and Iran keep the peace. No easy job.

The best thing to do is give it some time and see how it plays out.

We drop a few bombs and then automatically "so much winning".

Thomas Massey is a hard no on a lot of legislation based on his "principles" if he doesn't get everything he wants. In a bill that covers a lot of different issues, there is just no way for him to get everything he wants. He is unreasonable and an asshole. He doesn't like what Trump did in Iran so he's teamed up with Democrats to limit Trump's involvement in Iran with some kind of bipartisan resolution. Massey is a rat.

Uh huh.

Or... just maybe he's a shitty politician - meaning he is inept at compromise or triangulating a best available approach, but he has intellectual integrity. From what I've seen in interviews with him he is one of the smartest congressmen in office.

Meanwhile the entire reason for Iran's aggression, the Gaza war, rages on. Iran has too much national pride to take this without a fight.

And what about ending the Ukraine war in 24 hours?

I'm not on this bus.

Trump is very proud of the precision our military used to destroy Iran's nuclear sites and their diversionary tactics to avoid detection by Iran. What they pulled off is just amazing, so congratulations are in order and they deserve it. All the self-congratulating in general can get nauseating, but winning is what the Trump Administration is all about. I see it like a team-building mantra to inspire everyone involved to do their best.

I don't worship Trump, but I understand him. He demands excellence from his administration or you're out. Did you ever see "The Apprentice"? That's really how Trump operates.

I know Thomas Massey is a smart guy. I used to like him but he's become too uncompromising. He just wants to be a naysayer, but its a shitty and unnecessary move to pair up with Democrats to prohibit Trump's ability to be involved with Iran hostilities any further without Congressional approval. Its a political move.

I'm sure he'll get back to Ukraine after this.

I'm quite skeptical and I have been.

What we have as evidence are videos of a lot of buildings exploding and several deep holes in the ground.

Now we have this:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2025/06/24/us-strikes-iran-nuclear-program-back-months/84340477007/

A preliminary Pentagon intelligence assessment has found the U.S. strikes on three Iranian nuclear facilities set back Iran's nuclear program by a few months, according to a U.S. government source familiar with the intelligence findings.

Early evidence has shown the bombing did not reach depths necessary to destroy the facilities, which are buried deeply underground, according to a second U.S. official.

Also there were reports of a possible leak, that trucks visited the bombed facilities and possibly transported out centrifuges and uranium hours before the bombs.

Pete Hegseth and Trump are blasting the DIA report. Isn't that the JOB of the DIA, to assess military threats and advantages?

Just as Tulsi Gabbard better start sending resumes out pretty soon.

It's all purely 100% partisan political, not a shred of reality to anything Trump or this White House says. Just like the last asshole.

So much "appearing to win". Not "so much winning".

We'll see is what I think.

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