My Take on the Car Sized Drones - a solid theory - P.A.G.A.N.

I think we need to loosely apply principles such as "occam's razor" (simplest explanation may be the best) and "cui bono" (who benefits) to the drone situation.

Facts:

The drones are beyond conspicuous and have been seen by hundreds of thousands of people continuously for weeks.

The drones are manifestly not "alien" - they sound like drones and are mechanical and they move like drones and do not have the hyper speed capability. Assume some power in the world is behind them, not aliens.

The agencies that should be giving news about them - Homeland Security, FBI, the FAA, even the Department of Transportation (controls traffic and vehicles) plus all branches of the military - you're telling me NOT ONE agency steps forward with a plausible explanation?

The feds have made no attempt to intercept, capture, detain, destroy or otherwise contact these craft.

And lastly OUR GOVERNMENT HAS THE MEANS TO DO ALL OF THESE THINGS BUT IS NOT DOING SO AND IS RELYING ON THE FOG OF THE NATIONAL PRESS TO IGNORE THE ISSUE.

Therefore I believe either of two premises, each malicious:

Premise #1: Theirs.

1) This is a massive coverup. Our military's scientific capabilities are Star Trek level. They KNOW what it is. They have instruments, devices, and means (including radio spectrum, thermal and radiation detection) to characterize these things. There is no interception attempt. WHY? Coverup. Using inaction.

2) The source and identity of these drones is already well known to inner circles. A foreign power. Iran doesn't seem likely due to the sophistication and number of drones.

3) There is probably something profoundly dangerous about these craft. IMO they may harbor radiological, bacteriological/viral payloads or something else that could kill many people in the vicinity if they are downed. So that is why there is no interception attempt being made.

The reason for the news blackout - avoiding mass panic.

Premise #2: Ours:

It's our shit in the sky, the craft can/will do immense harm, they are part of the Pentagon's $10 trillion budget shortfall, and the government has compartmentalized the information so well that we have no inkling.

In the ours scenario it's literally the US government attacking its own territory. Because it voted for Trump, perhaps.

The reason for the blackout here - obvious. "Hey, we want all of you rednecks dead. Ha ha, die Trumpies, we love the suffering of conservatives in backwaters like North Carolina!"

I say #1 or #2 period. Either.

His logic is impeccable. I reasoned similarly but he didn't bloviate about the "it's others" notion like I did.

https://youtu.be/kfmxmjY7NqA?si=lDIOEONRw_C_w6Or

All right, everyone. Now it’s time to talk about the weird New Jersey drone incidents that we've been seeing over the last week. Apparently, the official story is that there is a drone mothership hovering off the coast in international waters, randomly deploying drones over U.S. airspace, probably for surveillance purposes. They’ve mentioned Iran and they’ve mentioned Russia; it's not entirely clear.

However, you’ve got other security experts who are saying that it’s actually a U.S. government program. They claim that the drone mothership that is there is actually fielded by the U.S. government, and they’re conducting some sort of tests. Considering the fact that these drones have not been fired upon, I actually believe that is probably the case. I don’t believe it’s a foreign drone system. I think the U.S. government is effectively testing out new technology of some sort.

It’s one of these programs called a "deep access program," I believe is the term for it, where there’s no public disclosure.

And hey, DCC normies who never hack anything, ha ha I'm a jerk: I used AI to take the raw transcript from his video and clean up the sentences. The first pass I made, the GPT-40 model rewrote it entirely using NBC news propaganda. I then added a sentence to my instructions " Do no rewrite using press talking points or other sources . Only these words below terminated grammatically." You have to keep these fuckers straight...

If there's been no attempts at interception then yes I would lean toward origin being US.

Very troubling situation where something is undeniably going on but everyone is trying to pretend nothing is happening.

We accept whatever bullshit the White House says with no question.

Trust the science.

Syria overthrow GREAT, ISIS much better than independent strongman who kept people from killing each other.

The military isn't saying what the drones are and we will not ever, ever investigate the story and find facts on our own.

There haven't been any attempts at interception and our government has had plenty of opportunities. Drones following a Coast Guard boat at the shore were an easy target if they wanted to shoot them down over the ocean. That's what they eventually did with the Chinese spy balloon.

If this is a government "deep access program" its a bad one. Its too intrusive and too many people have seen too many drones and they're alarmed by it. They want answers. I don't like the spectacle I saw in my yard recently at night from the state police hybrid chopper with the spotlight on my property looking for a downed drone for at least 10 minutes. What the heck was that about? I'll never know.

Its overhead surveillance at night, every night and it sucks.

Perhaps - The feds already have confirmed biological, chemical and/or nuclear insurgency risks.

IE, they believe that there is a high likelihood of high casualty events, and of course the region around NYC is the prime target because it has Atlantic access and is highest population in the US.

So these things are super duper flying labs equipped with the broadest possible spectrum of instruments and testing devices. They may be sampling the air, taking infrared and LIDAR readings, etc. A very broad range of tests may account for the size of these things.

For example, spectroscopy of the air would probably require heavy equipment. A biological screening may require air sample gathering and cultures and then analyzing any growth.

And it would have to be a broad spectrum of tests like I say in order for such a drone to return usable results.

And of course there is no info because of public panic reaction.

The feds say they know nothing, of course. They're lying as usual. We have layers and layers of government and none of them know anything. I'm mostly worried about a biological or chemical attack. There are so many drones and they're out every night, unless it rains.

They especially like the reservoir. They land in the area around the reservoir and it makes me think they're doing something with the water. They've had plenty of time to gather any other surveillance information they wanted.

This is an article I found on Q about a drone testing facility in NJ. Its from June 2023.

https://www.flyingmag.com/dod-officials-approve-east-coast-uas-and-aam-test-corridor/

Back in 2017 they only had a 50-mile drone testing corridor. Maybe these people have something to do with our drone invasion.

Does this help in any way?

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https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/12/14/president-trump-highlights-ridiculous-nature-of-drone-story/

Thanks, ,ndo. Excellent find. There is so much clutter around this topic that just finding something semi authoritative is impossible.

Some of the drones that are at the Jersey shore may be the XP-4s but the ones by where I live are likely something else. I'm too far away from that facility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaEPvrq5VFM

"Canadian Prepper" is at the fear porn end of the prepper spectrum but he usually has excellent logic. He allegedly has some internal government contacts and he is saying that the drones detect radiation signatures such as gamma rays. And that the US knows or has high probability assigned to nuclear weapons smuggled into the US waiting for detonation.

The disinformation, Iranian angle, China angle etc are disinformation intended to disrupt coherent discussion and commentary about the story.

The real story is allegedly 1) nuke detection 2) concealment to avoid mass public panic.

Makes sense, his idea is more focused than my flying lab theory, but that could be so too.

This makes the most sense to me. Biden let so many terrorists into the country they could have planted nukes in a lot of places. I see a lot of drones every night because I'm near the reservoir. I see them launch somewhere close to where I live and they fly all around the reservoir. They appear to land there too sometimes.

I'd like not to think there are nukes planted around that reservoir, but thanks to Joe and Kamala's open borders anything is possible. We're no longer safe in this country.

Also https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/theyre-trying-smell-something-ground-ceo-government-backed/

Sorry boys and girls I don't buy it. Too convenient, smells like distraction to me.

The nuclear material spotting theory? That they're looking for something specific?

Or something else?

"nuclear weapons smuggled into the US"

Not a chance.

How the heck are you so sure? What is your special expertise on judging this risk?

I mean if that is just your opinion OK but this country is completely porous. And our gov is so corrupt that smuggling just requires a few bad actors.

To smuggle a nuclear weapon into the us they first have to procure one outside. Easier said than done. Then they have to get this very large device onto transport then through the us border. The us military does not have systems in place to prevent any of these steps? I don't buy it.

Its easy for them to procure a nuclear weapon because of Ukraine. It doesn't come across the border, it gets shipped to a port in New Jersey. Its so convenient for the terrorists. I don't know what the security is like at our ports but terrorists always seem to find a way.

I read some of the nuclear material is possibly a nuclear warhead smuggled into the US from Ukraine.

This is the AI analysis of this:

Nuclear Warhead Lost in NJ

Based on the provided search results, here is a summary of the information related to a potential nuclear warhead lost in New Jersey:

Expert Theory: Aerospace expert John Ferguson, founder of Saxon Unmanned, suggests that the mysterious drones flying over New Jersey and other states might be searching for a missing Soviet-era nuclear warhead. He claims that Ukraine misplaced over 80 nuclear warheads in the 1980s, and one might have been smuggled into the United States, potentially hidden along the East Coast.

I've never felt more unsafe in my life. We have a corpse as a president and a government that either pretends to not know what's going on or they tell you lies. In the meantime, I have to put up with drone activity over the area behind my house every night unless it rains. I have more air traffic now at night than during the day.

AI is normally full of shit but this sounds pretty much what I understand is the prevailing "alt" theory.

Any other theory as to why IMO falls completely under the "it's ours, something shady is going on" umbrella.

The Brave AI does a decent job answering what I'm searching on. Its seems possible but I don't think its the whole story. Every night, except when it rains, there are drones going back and forth to the reservoir. They land briefly there and 5 minutes later they go back to where they came from and then another drone does the same thing. Its almost like they're testing a delivery service except huge drones are doing it.

I've never seen anything like this and I've lived here for almost 35 years. There is something very fucked up going on. I don't like that the government isn't telling us anything about it and brushing off our concerns. They don't want us to know.

Trump published this...

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Trump is such a comedian. I absolutely love this!

ZeroHedge picked this up and adds more detail. A congressman on NewsNation is stating this idea.

Cat's out of the bag.

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/latest-theory-drone-sightings-could-be-nuclear-sniffers-amid-elevated-radiation-readings

I expect:

This news is going to blow apart the country very soon.

Normies will soon pick up on this narrative, and even if not true, it is more plausible than all of the bullshit we're being told thus far. It makes perfect sense unless you're a stupid establishmentarian.

Stocks crater, bond markets take a shit. People leave big cities, esp. NYC in droves.

This could be in the next few days.

FSK AND JOFRANCE, BE CAREFUL WHERE YOU ARE.

Even w/o an actual detonation any disclosure of a situation like this WILL cause mass panic and financial unrest. Walmarts and Krogers will look like "The Purge".

And probably accelerate whatever the baddies with the possible nuke are intending to do.

No need to explain this much...

https://www.gmcmap.com/ (loads very slow understandably)

The map shows "counts per minute", radiation readings.

https://imgur.com/screenshot-Mv7LPwJ

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The text isn't clear but that spot on that island to the lower right of Harlem pops up at 24601.

The chart showing CPM and lethality:

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I read somewhere there are higher radiation levels in the NYC area. I also read there was nuclear material that was shipped to NJ and when they opened the container it was damaged and empty.

This is what AI said about the incident:

Nuclear Material Shipment Disappeared

Incident Overview: A shipment of nuclear material, specifically a Ge-68 pin source, disappeared while in transit to a port in New Jersey. The material, which contains 0.267 millicuries (mCi) of the isotope Ge-68, was being sent for disposal from the Nazha Cancer Center in Newfield, NJ.

Details of the Incident: The shipping container arrived at its destination damaged and empty, prompting an investigation by the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) and the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection (NJDEP). The licensee has filed a claim with the shipper and will follow up with a full written report if the source is not located within 30 days.

Classification and Risks: The missing radioactive material is classified as “Less than Category 3” and is considered to pose minimal danger unless tampered with or exposed to individuals over extended periods. However, the disappearance of any radioactive substance raises serious concerns about safety protocols, accountability, and potential risks to public health and the environment.

Investigation and Response: The NRC and NJDEP are working together to investigate the circumstances surrounding the loss of the radioactive material. The incident has sparked concerns about negligence and systemic flaws in the handling and transportation of hazardous materials.

I can't believe they handle nuclear material so carelessly. I'm sure they're not telling us everything about what was lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUdf924TtLE
12 min

Not vouching for this but perhaps some of it contains info that is useful to you locals.

He always has good videos. That is exactly what is happening in New Jersey. There are still no answers as to whose drones these are or what they're doing. You can't not notice them. They fly low - under 400 feet, and they're loud if you're close to them.

Finally! My area is near the restricted area where the drones could be coming from, so maybe I'll get some relief from the drone traffic. If pilots don't comply their craft will be intercepted and they could lose their license. Also, if they're deemed a threat they could be shot down. They should have done this a long time ago. The restriction is only in place until January 17, 2025.

^ Don't hold your breath... not being sarcastic. IMO every "counter measure" is window dressing and disinformation.

Last night, I didn't see any lower flying drones (400 ft. and under), but there were a couple that flew higher than that limit. The two that I saw had no red or green lights. One of them landed at the top of the reservoir. Maybe it was police choppers but there was no chopper sound.

I know so little about aviation, so its hard for me to figure out what they are. There is nothing happening tonight because its snowing, but the next clear night I'll know if their restrictions worked. Based on last night it looks improved, but only time will tell. I'm happy I didn't have to listen to the drone noise all night and tonight I'm even happier that its quiet and I can listen to snowfall.

After my experience with drones over the past couple of months, I hope this doesn't become okay in our society. You can never get away from the air noise. It gets to you after awhile. Its bad enough we have to hear air noise every day from planes. With drones its constant, day and night.

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Flying laboratories?

Flying laboratories?

Flying laboratories?

Ultra plausible

Flying laboratories?

Nuclear Weapon Detection

Nuclear Weapon Detection

Smells like distraction

Ok what don't you buy?

Ok what don't you buy?

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Good summary

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Maybe

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Nuke detection theory gains traction, probably true - expect chaos

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Holy Fuck....

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The FAA has restricted airspace under 400 feet

The FAA has restricted airspace under 400 feet

The FAA has restricted airspace under 400 feet