I Voted Early Today - P.A.G.A.N. - People Against Goodness And Normalcy

I did in-person voting today and the lines were very long. It reminded me of 2016 very much. We've only had early voting for 3 days but so far, Republicans are outvoting the Democrats by a comfortable margin. Democrats aren't showing up for Kamala.

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Back in 2016, Hillary won NJ because she was popular here, but this time the crowds are showing up for Trump. They could still pull a cheat in the end, but its a possibility that NJ could flip to Trump.

How's voting going in your neck of the woods?

She's wearing the sticker that says "I Vomited". Straight Tuna Party, downballot included.

We both voted by mail. We checked the website for mail in vote tracking and our ballots were received.

Assuming someone didn't torch our mail in transit, I don't see the attraction of voting in person, early or not. I kinda want to avoid polling stations until everything settles down.

Poor kitty, voting is so stressful for pets.

I like going to vote in person. Where I live has a very country town feel, so I don't mind going. Sometimes we go have lunch afterwards or go shopping. Ive used a dropbox for one election in the past, but I'd never consider voting by mail where I live unless I had no other choice. My mail delivery can be spotty at times so I don't have a lot of trust.

The polling places where I live were fine. I went in the morning and it was mostly seniors and women with young kids. I'd be less likely to vote in person in a more city-like environment.

My town, Lebanon, felt like a country town 30 years ago when I moved here. It hasn't exactly gone to shit but it has been co-opted by the big suburban growth pressure from Cincinnati and Dayton.

People living here now are total brainless suburban normies with no appreciation of anything rustic unless it's some shitty overpriced faux country goods.

I don't like or enjoy people in this area. I go out of necessity. I avoid the mouth breathers. Every time I've given someone the benefit of the doubt around here I've been burned or had my time wasted.

In light of that I have no real reason to mix with the locals that I deservedly look down on.

My town has never changed much and I've been here almost 35 years. I don't live near to any major city, but the town government here did not allow sprawl to take over. Its still small farms and mostly rural residential. They have built apartment buildings on the highway recently to satisfy affordable housing requirements, but that's it.

Most towns near me are quaint with mom and pop type businesses. I'd love to see it stay this way forever. The only reason it does is there is a limited public water/sewer system for many towns. Its all private wells, septic systems and oil tanks for heat. There are no gas pipelines and when they try to propose one being built, it is fiercely fought by the local government and the public.

I'd be leery about talking with people where you live too, especially after what happened to you in the store.

In the huge metropolitan regions (NYC, Chicago, LA, SF, others), excessive growth is defined as a threat and is choked off when it encroaches on quality of life.

The difference between your area and mine is that in Ohio there is no perception that rampant growth is anything but positive. You see local idiots on Facebook groups lauding the fact that Cincinnati and Dayton have grown together into a low density urban region.

Our part of the country is freeer than yours. Therefore you have lower growth and guardrails against growth in some areas in NJ and the hicks here are allowed to build anyplace as fast as possible.

The *only* way in Ohio to live in a stable, historic town like yours is to be 100 miles+ outside the commutable distance from any large city.

The NIMBYism is precisely why Californian real estate inflated so fast. You can't build in certain natural areas, on some hills and mountains, etc.

My town even has a stupid goddamned fucking moronic solar farm which they built over the last year. It's in a floodplain but still it's ugly as shit and will do little to offset energy costs and demand.

The locals eat that crap up because it's "progress" - fuck us as badly as a big city and we love it. If this local area could become as dense and developed as Long Island the locals would have a collective orgasm of bliss. Congestion and traffic would be hailed as benefits... kind of like right now.

NIMBYism is criticized as hypocritical for depriving the public of opportunities for economic expansion but it's really certain elites and entrenched locals committed to conserving local flavor.

We have a lot of big, overcrowded, over-built cities in northern NJ, but I rarely travel there. I can't stand all the traffic and the crowds. I'm just not a city person.

You're exactly right about NIMBYism. There are many elites that live out in my neck of the woods and they won't allow any building that would change the character of the area. I don't care for the rich liberals that live out here but the rest of the people are just plain country folks that are very relatable. You wouldn't believe its NJ.

^ The rich elites in your area protected your area so that the country folks stayed around. In my area there is no domination of large areas by elites.

There are NO country folks around here. They left or died out and the rural character has been largely erased so there are no country folks to replace them.

Just suburban and city rats.

Elites may seem evil but they tend to preserve small caches of good things.

That's very true. The elites that are in the local governments here are old money. There are prominent families that have kept my area mostly rural. I'm thankful for that.

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