Theory – The Internet is Already Dead (Public Board)

by SureThing, Thursday, October 03, 2024, 23:08 (296 days ago)
edited by SureThing, Thursday, October 03, 2024, 23:19

According to this theory, the internet - - as a source of unbridled human activity and flourishing - - died somewhere around the year 2016.

Reason?

People no longer get to choose which content they see on social media.
Ranking algorithms choose instead.

Nearly 10 years ago:
Bots – software apps that perform automated tasks without human intervention – accounted for over half of all on-line activity. And over 30% of website visits came from bad bots – programmed to carry out harmful acts like theft and hacking. 20% of bots were good bots – that helped monitor and upkeep aspects of the internet.

These problems have almost certainly gotten worse since then.

In 2024, Jack Conte - the founder and CEO of Patreon, pointed out that platforms like YouTube, Facebook, Instagram and Tik-Tok have moved primarily to algorithmic ranking based content distribution ... and away from letting users "follow" which people they are really interested in. Internet content is distributed based on computer algorithms that rank content using metrics of engagement – like watch time – and not based on people selectively and intentionally curating what is shown to them based on who they follow or subscribe to ...

According to Jack Conte, this has caused creators and their audiences to become increasingly pulled apart.

"In my opinion" Conte said "The Follow or Subscribe is not some handy feature of a social network It is foundational architecture for human creativity and organization".

This forces content creators to create for algorithms and not for a clear audience or fan-base. Instead of thinking about what they love to create or what their fans want to see, creators are forced to think about what the ranking algorithm will favor. This changes creator output to achieve the platforms' goals and not my goals as a creator.

Social media websites make money via advertising. The more time users spend on social media, the more advertisements they will see.

We are thus being increasing led by these algorithms with no clear aim in terms of benefit to the individual or culture at large. The cause and endgame are merely profitability.

These problems of fake traffic, algorithmic disconnect and spam media have only become worse with the introduction and mainstream use of generative AI. As AI controls more and more of how the internet is used, humans control less and less. Hence, the internet is, at least compared to what it once was, DEAD.

There's a famous saying that we are the average of the five people we spend the most time with. A more up-to-date version might be "we are the average of the five creators and five content categories we spend the most time with on the internet consuming."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0N9fD3rFaw

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Pepperidge Farms, and Geocities Both Remember

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Thursday, October 03, 2024, 23:31 (296 days ago) @ SureThing
edited by Cornpop Sutton, Thursday, October 03, 2024, 23:41

Web rings... Geocities "villages"... shitty amateurish home pages built from raw HTML with little spinny mailboxes and animated flags... crude jokes, crude websites, often based on someone's ISP free website space.

(I have saved a link to one memorable such site about a motorcycle hill climb event and the site is titled literally "Beer N' Titties". Still available on the wayback archive.)

I recall reading and referencing an AWFUL lot of junk on the freedom loving internet in the 90s through the mid 2000-oughts. It was really difficult to source non-bullshit.

PLUS. Recall the innumerable spam chain letters that (usually) senior citizens and those with lesser cognitive powers would keep going through many chains of forwardings? I'd have to service my mother in law's PC and I'd run into gargantuan emails that were 95% soandso@yoohoo.com reply to's.

I believe that today's social media captured significant shares of the old lady forwarding pictures of cats crowd.

I don't like how things are today, but I'm not certain that the internet of yore had much quality content either.

Theory – The Internet is Already Dead

by FSK, Friday, October 04, 2024, 01:29 (296 days ago) @ SureThing

Around 2005-2010 was Peak Internet. I was able to use Google search to find non-mainstream conspiracy theories and get information.

Those websites are GONE now. Either the website no longer exists, or I can't find them in any search engine no matter how much I try.

The big change happened in 2016 with Trump's win. That made big tech decide to prioritize censorship.

A lot of sites just flat-out don't show up in Google search anymore. You can search for an exact post title and you won't find it (but can find it in other search engines). They have a manually curated ban list, along with an algorithmic ban list.

The other big thing that happened is the "feed". Remember RSS? That gives you a list of all the websites you follow, with a list of posts in order. That was how Twitter and Facebook worked originally. Your homepage was everything people you followed posted, in reverse chronological order.

That was replaced with the "feed", where it's now "what the algorithm thinks you want to see". It also lets them stuff in advertising. You're running a business and you want your followers to see your posts? That costs $$$ now.

Facebook also did some experiments where they realized they could affect people's emotions by controlling what showed up in their feed.

The "feed" opened up the possibility for mass brainwashing, done in a subtle way. The power to decide what posts are ranked and deranked is the power to control what people think. It also can measure and optimize for things like "engagement", which keeps people on the site.

That's why it feels like every response is an AI. When someone responds to a post, the only ones you see are the ones some AI decide you get to see, whether the post was AI generated or not.

They do need some people making real posts. If you train an AI on the output of other AIs, it just degenerates into a mess pretty fast. It's the same reason that making a photocopy of a photocopy just fails if you do it several times.

For the normies, Big Tech is the Internet. If it isn't on Google/Facebook/Twitter/Reddit/etc, it doesn't exist. People need to go back to the old ways, where instead of using "social media", you get your own domain and website.

Even the bodybuilding.com (including its famous misc section) is no more

by IT guy, Monday, October 07, 2024, 23:09 (292 days ago) @ SureThing

It's outside of the tech genre but "the misc" was a famous forum for the "dude bro" 20 and 30 something crowd, whether they were into bodybuilding or not. There was a ton of activity in its heyday which included many insane threads.

Plenty of idiots posted there but oddly enough there were some smart people in the weeds and some of the content would be similar to what is posted here. That might be one of the reasons why they pulled the plug on it as there was a lot of content that wasn't "politically correct".

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