The Mirror (JD Vance)

As soon as this guy was nominated I didnt buy the story. Sounded like hollywood bullshit.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/07/19/the-mirror/

Abandoned by his father to a troubled single mother; eventually raised by grandparents. He is then recruited from an Ivy league law school by shadow figures, a specific billionaire and a network of interests. He changes his name, writes a book about his life story, and with the support of the aforementioned – who eventually pays for the assembly of a strategic campaign influence network, becomes a Senator for 2 years before being quickly elevated into position in the White House.

Many people reading that paragraph would be familiar with the life story of Barack Hussien Obama. However, that paragraph also explains the right-side version of the exact same storyline, James David Vance. It’s a mirror.

On one side of the UniParty mirror we have an emotionally constructed political figure for the left. On the other side of the UniParty mirror we have an emotionally constructed political figure for the right. Each person, each emotional narrative, carrying the specific nuances to appeal to their wing of the UniParty audience. However, both are following the same playbook.

It started with a conversation several weeks ago. Who is JD Vance and where did he come from?

How does a person without any baseline in politics, not a council member, not a mayor, not a state rep – or state senate, governor etc., become a U.S. Senator and then quickly get into the White House?

What I was told sounded eerily familiar.

JD Vance was born James Donald Bowman in Middletown, Ohio (August 2, 1984). He then changed his name to James David Bowman. He then changed his name to James David Hamel. Eventually, in 2014, notably after Yale Law School (class of 2013) and after marrying his wife Usha, now age 30, he changed his name to write a book.

It was 2014, that’s when JD Vance was born.

Vance’s book, Hillbilly Elegy was published by Rupert Murdoch’s publishing house, Harper Collins in 2016. The book was made into a Netflix movie, [Reed Hastings] created by Imagine Entertainment and directed by Ron Howard (2020). However, the interesting background on JD Vance goes back to Yale, and the Obamaesque tap on the shoulder that comes from a billionaire most are familiar with, Peter Thiel.

Thiel first recruited Vance into his circle while Vance was still a student at Yale Law School. Shortly thereafter, Vance joined Thiel’s investment firm Mithril Capital, where he worked for two years before joining Revolution Ventures. Vance played a major role in Revolution’s “Rise of the Rest” seed fund whose major investors included Amazon’s Jeff Bezos. {Citation}

JD Vance then launched his own venture capital firm Narya Capital in 2020, using startup money from both Peter Thiel and former Google CEO Eric Schmidt.

From this timeline we can see how JD Vance went from no money (student loans) in 2013, to big money in 2020. Everything came via Peter Thiel and Eric Schmidt, but mostly Thiel.

To understand JD Vance as an Ohio senator, the inflection points in 2013 and the subsequent relationship with billionaire Peter Thiel (Palantir Technologies) from 2013 to now, becomes important.

Billionaires Eric Schmidt and Peter Thiel are key members of the steering committee of the controversial, closed-door and overtly globalist Bilderberg conference. Newsweek once called Schmidt and Thiel the two most influential figures at Bilderberg.

Peter Thiel’s company Palantir Tech is the driving force of a global surveillance system using artificial intelligence (AI). Palantir has massive contract interests in US military and intelligence communities.

Keep in mind, Palantir is the current company creating the tech mechanisms for the U.S government to conduct foreign and domestic surveillance. The actual technology needed by the Deep State to advance their interests, is provided by Peter Thiel. {Citation}

According to the popular narrative, JD Vance opposes the Intelligence Community deep surveillance state, while simultaneously being the political front for the interests of Peter Thiel and Palantir Technology? This doesn’t reconcile.

Peter Thiel was the money and network behind the 2022 Ohio senate race between JD Vance and Tim Ryan. It was Peter Thiel who took JD Vance to meet President Trump in Mar-a-Lago to get the needed endorsement to launch Vance into the U.S. Senate. Without Thiel there is no Senator JD Vance.

It is also important to remember that prior to 2018; prior to Peter Thiel becoming aligned with the FBI as a confidential human source, and prior to Vance needing the Trump endorsement; JD Vance was a staunch never-Trumper.

JD Vance went from calling President Trump “a literal Hitler,” to appreciating Trump’s incredible leadership, a remarkable shift in opinion. To his strategic credit, Peter Thiel was successful in gaining both the endorsement and the outcome of the 2022 Ohio senate race.

Within the Thiel network you will note the aligned interests of another key financial friend and big federal contractor, Elon Musk. Together, Musk and Thiel form the core of a very wealthy group of modern tech political influence agents, including another Yale Law School graduate and JD Vance supporter, Vivek Ramaswamy.

JD Vance even named one of his three children Vivek; suffice to say, they are close.

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Welcome back, Kotter.

I just watched the Netflix movie; I have yet to read the book Hillbilly Elegy.

All I can say is:

I live next to (8 miles away from) Middletown. I am intimately familiar with the local vibe, how people are raised here, the social norms here, and how people achieve or don't achieve around here.

First of all almost every review I see of the movie pans it as overacted and over dramatized with shitty writing. THIS IS EXACTLY how people here live, it's total reality. The briars (Appalachian born and moved to OH and MI for auto jobs in the 40s through 60s) have a very coarse attitude and the movie depicts the gamut of their behavior and how they speak and act very well.

Hillary C, imagine trying to convince someone who doesn't come from your area what the blacks that lived next to your dad were like. Most liberals and even a lot of normies would think you're an over the top racist, but I trust your observations. Same with Middletown and the "lack of authenticity" of his story.

You actually do have frowsy pill popping middle aged moms around here who screw guys to have a place to live. And the local culture is extremely demeaning to the individual, and you do have to move away to have any real achievement if you're smart.

That's the childhood story. As far as his track from Yale and his later career, I don't know. The guy is super intelligent - he has a list of 10 favorite conservative thinkers that he finds most valuable - he positions himself as an intellectual, but an actual principled intellectual. And he did join the Marines. Being formerly deployed+ super high test scores almost certainly opens doors.

I had doors open for me briefly when I graduated high school as a PSAT/NMSQT semifinalist and got a scholarship just because of great test scores. With Vance being a veteran and having his intellect, I think receiving financial assistance to go to Yale is pretty reasonable.

As far as his rise in fame, he seeks publicity aggressively.

Also go check out my movie review of Hillbilly Elegy.

My gut feeling is that Vance is 100% authentic and his life mirrors a lot of my early experiences. If anything did NOT match up you can be assured that some leftie interest group would find a bunch of hungry assholes in Middletown who can be paid to say that they knew JD and he was nothing like his autobiography describes.

And as far as his exceeding his childhood background - his early life was shit and he moved away and joined the Marines and later pushed through law school because he was motivated. Desperation makes people do remarkable things.

I watched Whitney Webb (Unlimited Hangout's) dissection of the Vance-Palantir connection. She makes excellent points. I don't know how to compute that with him.

All I know is campaigns have to get money from somewhere.

Welcome back, Kotter.

I just watched the Netflix movie; I have yet to read the book Hillbilly Elegy.

All I can say is:

I live next to (8 miles away from) Middletown. I am intimately familiar with the local vibe, how people are raised here, the social norms here, and how people achieve or don't achieve around here.

First of all almost every review I see of the movie pans it as overacted and over dramatized with shitty writing. THIS IS EXACTLY how people here live, it's total reality. The briars (Appalachian born and moved to OH and MI for auto jobs in the 40s through 60s) have a very coarse attitude and the movie depicts the gamut of their behavior and how they speak and act very well.

Hillary C, imagine trying to convince someone who doesn't come from your area what the blacks that lived next to your dad were like. Most liberals and even a lot of normies would think you're an over the top racist, but I trust your observations. Same with Middletown and the "lack of authenticity" of his story.

You actually do have frowsy pill popping middle aged moms around here who screw guys to have a place to live. And the local culture is extremely demeaning to the individual, and you do have to move away to have any real achievement if you're smart.

That's the childhood story. As far as his track from Yale and his later career, I don't know. The guy is super intelligent - he has a list of 10 favorite conservative thinkers that he finds most valuable - he positions himself as an intellectual, but an actual principled intellectual. And he did join the Marines. Being formerly deployed+ super high test scores almost certainly opens doors.

I had doors open for me briefly when I graduated high school as a PSAT/NMSQT semifinalist and got a scholarship just because of great test scores.

And go check out my movie review of Hillbilly Elegy.

My gut feeling is that Vance is 100% authentic and his life mirrors a lot of my early experiences. If anything did NOT match up you can be assured that some leftie interest group would find a bunch of hungry assholes in Middletown who can be paid to say that they knew JD and he was nothing like his autobiography describes.

And as far as his exceeding his childhood background - his early life was shit and he moved away and joined the Marines and later pushed through law school because he was motivated. Desperation makes people do remarkable things.

I watched Whitney Webb (Unlimited Hangout's) dissection of the Vance-Palantir connection. She makes excellent points. I don't know how to compute that with him.

All I know is campaigns have to get money from somewhere.

I am not saying his childhood is fake or the area is bullshit. I get it, its a poor area.

I just believe its too convenient, the narrative is too fake.

I am very negative about him being just another Manchurian candidate.

This entire gist of the discussion gets under my skin because Vance's story passes every smell test I have, because everything I know about his stated background is plausible.

First of all let's not generalize and hand wave. It's not that poor an area (Ohio). You see plenty of Teslas and monster F150 trucks on the roads and I saw an accident report that a McLaren rolled over in an accident locally.

Kentucky is poor. His family moved here in the 60s for work. Poor areas usually have massive social stress. That stress was transported to Ohio in many communities.

It's more like social mobility is extremely limited here and people are labeled. That was the main theme of his book.

What I'm stating is that I have extreme familiarity with the social environment here. I grew up here. I know how it's tough to get any momentum here. How you have to leave (move out of state, cut family connections) to have a basic fucking career. And like Vance, I was smart and tested high and got funding for college. You live in NJ, you are not aware of that, you have had a great university system and top notch companies close to you. Not here.

Vance has said that this area (rust belt Ohio) suffers from a "lack of agency". People here believe they have no ability to change things for themselves. He is 10000% spot on correct. And in fact this is something you will recall that I have bitched about for years.

I originally moved back here because my mother was suicidal. JD states similar about his mother being hooked on drugs. In both cases the parent drags you down and fucks your life. Parallel experiences.

Your opinion is your opinion. You sound like a never Trumper. I have facts and knowledge that support the assertion that Vance at least means well. Yeah, he may get co-opted. Anyone can.

This entire gist of the discussion gets under my skin because Vance's story passes every smell test I have, because everything I know about his stated background is plausible.

First of all let's not generalize and hand wave. It's not that poor an area (Ohio). You see plenty of Teslas and monster F150 trucks on the roads and I saw an accident report that a McLaren rolled over in an accident locally.

Kentucky is poor. His family moved here in the 60s for work. Poor areas usually have massive social stress. That stress was transported to Ohio in many communities.

It's more like social mobility is extremely limited here and people are labeled. That was the main theme of his book.

What I'm stating is that I have extreme familiarity with the social environment here. I grew up here. I know how it's tough to get any momentum here. How you have to leave (move out of state, cut family connections) to have a basic fucking career. And like Vance, I was smart and tested high and got funding for college. You live in NJ, you are not aware of that, you have had a great university system and top notch companies close to you. Not here.

Vance has said that this area (rust belt Ohio) suffers from a "lack of agency". People here believe they have no ability to change things for themselves. He is 10000% spot on correct. And in fact this is something you will recall that I have bitched about for years.

I originally moved back here because my mother was suicidal. JD states similar about his mother being hooked on drugs. In both cases the parent drags you down and fucks your life. Parallel experiences.

Your opinion is your opinion. You sound like a never Trumper. I have facts and knowledge that support the assertion that Vance at least means well. Yeah, he may get co-opted. Anyone can.

OK. Not saying you are wrong at all. I dont believe the fairy tales they spin for us to believe in.

I dont like the Democrats nor the Republicans. I think both sides are full of shit and are in service to the elite.

I think Trump in particular is full of shit.

OK. Not saying you are wrong at all. I dont believe the fairy tales they spin for us to believe in.

I subscribe to the stuff you're referencing. Fellow extreme skeptic here.

I dont like the Democrats nor the Republicans. I think both sides are full of shit and are in service to the elite.

The uniparty harms the US.

I think Trump in particular is full of shit.

Yes and no. He is full of shit but he is a counterbalance to the leftist center of gravity of today's regime. Just like in 2016, I expect him to do 1/4 or less of what he promises.

I trust Trump's intentions. Everyone falls short.

Especially if one or both houses obstruct him. Many senate seats (10?) are up for grabs.

yes 1/4 was roughly my own estimate of Trump's successes.

I didn't hold that against him because he had very few allies within the whole of the government. When, in the US system, public servants under you refuse to do what you direct, there's nothing you can do except fire them but firing can be worse politically than not firing.

This time around he has more experience and more allies plus court decisions which boost his authority over his subordinates. If he gets in, I expect he will up his success rate to 1/2. Maybe even 3/5 if the planets align. With one proviso. He must create a culture where the public service, the executive branch, feels the obligation to carry out the directives of the president regardless of personal beliefs and ideology.

OK. Not saying you are wrong at all. I dont believe the fairy tales they spin for us to believe in.

I subscribe to the stuff you're referencing. Fellow extreme skeptic here.

Agreed.

I dont like the Democrats nor the Republicans. I think both sides are full of shit and are in service to the elite.

The uniparty harms the US.

Agreed. They service the elite and globalists.

I think Trump in particular is full of shit.

Yes and no. He is full of shit but he is a counterbalance to the leftist center of gravity of today's regime. Just like in 2016, I expect him to do 1/4 or less of what he promises.

Agreed.

I trust Trump's intentions. Everyone falls short.

Especially if one or both houses obstruct him. Many senate seats (10?) are up for grabs.

And that they did.

Is JD Vance A Real Populist Or Captured By Donors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEw35cWXSgo

A lot of the comments sound like Mr Hillary Colon's thoughts.

It seems the guy will face significant friction from some aspects of voters.

Is JD Vance A Real Populist Or Captured By Donors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEw35cWXSgo

A lot of the comments sound like Mr Hillary Colon's thoughts.

It seems the guy will face significant friction from some aspects of voters.

Read up on his wife who worked for one of the most left wing law firms in the US. She resigned right his nomination was announced.

I see Vance as a self-made man. One thing not mentioned is that he was a Marine combat correspondent for 6 months in Iraq. He served for 4 years - 2003-2007. I'm sure that service opened a lot of doors for him, but it also says a lot about his character.

Obama was a community organizer that was skilled in dirty Chicago politics. He had a very sketchy background that was really made up. He never had any allegiance or respect for America. Vance served America for 4 years. It takes a selfless person to do that.

Vance's upbringing shaped his entire life. I didn't read Hillbilly Elegy, all I did was watch the trailer for the movie but it looked like a very gut-level look at his life. I'd probably get terribly depressed if I watched it but I think he's an honest person and its admirable that he worked his way out of his upbringing. It isn't easy to do.

^ This is exactly what I think too. You spelled it out perfectly.

Too much fucking leaf reading from some of our esteemed forumers. Stick with what is known.

Yeah, Palentir. Maybe once Trump/Vance are in (hopefully) they castrate some of the domestic surveillance power of the deep state. Not holding my breath tho.

I started to watch a "Democracy Now!" hit piece on JD Vance where the woman being interviewed is some revered historian of Appalachian folkways. She starts out massively derogatory about Vance.

It's just lefty Democrat talking points and I disliked the video. I noticed it had been heavily ratioed with dislike votes, well over more dislikes than likes. Dumb assholes, same Rachel Maddow style crap since they started running videos.

If you hate JD Vance or consider him slimy you're basically talking similar to Democrats IMO.

Fight with the army you have.

We're not going to get perfect from any candidate. I think Trump picked him because of his life story. For a young guy he has accomplished a lot in life through hard work and discipline. He will be able to endure the intensity of the campaign and pressures of a Trump presidency. I like that he is a real person and not a political person and I think he'll fight hard for the America First agenda.

They'll go after him and try to discredit him with whatever they can, but his life story speaks volumes to me. Just to even be in the Marines is so hard and demanding. I have tremendous respect for those people.

I think Trump and Vance will gut the deep state and deport Biden's illegals. No mercy. That's what the Democrats are afraid of and why they have to kill Trump. We can't allow a fourth branch shadow government to continue.

The level of hate and derogatory suspicion being foisted on Vance even by those who are allegedly in the conservative sphere is ridiculous and retarded. And that's conservatives. Liberals see the guy as the incarnation of Moloch.

It's like nobody knows what good character and actual achievement is or what it looks like. You show Vance to a lot of conservatives and the reaction is "nope, not achievement, fishy, too extreme to be real, fuck that guy, he's a fraud."

You ask the goddamnit who then and you get some candidate that nobody will recognize because he's "pure" allegedly.

So what do you do, make your back story so nebulous that nobody questions it? Or have no life achievements? Wait, that would make you a Democratic candidate.

That's kind of a deep cultural issue in our society, the "real" is gaslit constantly by axe grinders. 20 years ago a Vance type would be celebrated by the right. Today the right is circling its wagons and putting him up for public proctology exams.

20 years ago a Vance type would be celebrated by the right. Today the right is circling its wagons and putting him up for public proctology exams.

...because there is no right today. 99 out of 100 people in power positions are mammons. Politics today is not political but financial.

I like that he is a real person and not a political person

That's an interesting thought. For the reasons you gave but also because it occurred to me that that makes him a shield for Trump. Trump is real and not political so offing Trump will replace him with a person who has the identical "faults".

JD Vance is the "mini Trump". So to speak.

We have too many political people in our Congress that are there to enrich themselves rather than serve the people that voted them into office. Mammons is a good word for them. No matter what they promised the people in order to get elected, donor money shapes what policies they will support.

Vance is a real common sense conservative and he's a fighter for the people. After the horrific East Palestine, OH, train derailment, he was the first one there to draw attention to how the train company left that town devastated with the toxic chemical spill and didn't clean it up properly. He was there for the people.

His memoir "Hillbilly Elegy" convinces me that he is the real deal.

He writes conversationally like someone from this region who happens to be whip-smart would write and he makes astute observations about this region that only come from growing up here.

His book should be paid attention to because apparently it appeared around the time of the 2016 election and sort of contributed cultural energy to Trump's win. It made him famous. People are saying "who did he whore himself out to, to get famous" and the answer is he published a best selling book. That was the step that lead to congress et al.

I wish all of the dumbasses on Youtube calling Vance a Manchurian candidate and asking "who is this guy" would understand that he didn't hatch out of an egg in Klaus Schwab's lab and get made famous... he wrote a compelling tear jerking memoir that portrayed real life. People's lack of facts irritates me.

Hillbilly Elegy is like the good mirror universe version of Obama's "Dreams of My Father" evil universe astroturfed marxist drivel.

Yeah, his appearance in East Palestine was absolutely fantastic.

JD's main weakness in terms of campaigning is that he adds his own layer of shit talking on top of Trump's. It's like Trump just received a "political message amplifier" with Vance.

JD, like Trump is not very careful about what he says. His remark about liberal single childless women "cat ladies" was kinda cringy to read (but funny). He kind of needs to tone it down at least in the rhetoric that offends uninvolved people. He needs to focus that sarcasm on Kamala or whatever deep state douchebag is appropriate.

The Palantir connection concerns me.

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Jimmy Dore comments on the Whitney Webb "Unlimited Hangout" story on Vance