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Thoughts about Trump's expanded "envelope" of positive influence (Public Board)

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Thursday, May 30, 2024, 18:25 (422 days ago)
edited by Cornpop Sutton, Thursday, May 30, 2024, 18:45

In light of the following:

- Trump's recent huge campaign rally successes on the Jersey Shore and the South Bronx
- Trump's conviction of all 34 counts in the NYC kangaroo court
- The apparent uptake of support for Trump among people of color who have affinity for Trump as an outsider who is being persecuted (you have blacks being interviewed saying things like "Trump's my nigga, he's a gangster")

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The thing that concerns me is that this is still personality cult material.

The new support for Trump is not founded on ideas or principles or policy. In large measure it's organic support for Trump as an outsider who opposes a notion of corrupted "law and order".

A personality cult is not robust.

I'd like to see someone who is an understudy to Trump who could leverage off of his popularity with the same base and continue the principles.

But that person really doesn't exist. The closest one to that understudy person is Vivek Ramaswamy, and even Ann Coulter told him she wouldn't vote for him because he was ethnic Indian. She's racist but probably reflects a large chunk of the conservative side. And even if VR *were* recognized as "Mini-Me Trump", he just doesn't have the roughness and bluntness that makes Trump unique.

The MAGA support base is fragile and could collapse entirely if something happened to Trump. Its not just the "America first" notion, it's wrapped with bluster and posturing for strength. This is not an enduring frame of support.

Oh yeah, you'd see insurrection for real and blood in the streets and political assassinations and the like if the CIA killed Trump. People fighting and being pissed isn't a movement. It's a reason to lock down the country with permanent martial law.

The country is done, stick it with a fork. Our only hope is one man, Trump, who is entirely alone and who could be rubbed out or made irrelevant almost instantly.

The Right Has No Bench

by FSK, Thursday, May 30, 2024, 23:13 (422 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton
edited by FSK, Thursday, May 30, 2024, 23:36

There's nobody "on the bench" behind Trump. There should be a clear frontrunner for future Presidential elections. Either Trump wins in 2024 and he's ineligible in 2028, or Trump loses in 2024 and then he's too old to try again in 2028 (and nobody should support him after 2 failed runs).

This is by design by the left. Why do you think they're so aggressive nowadays about deplatforming people? Whenever a celebrity shows the ability to think for themselves, they're fired, cancelled, and their career is over nobody will hire them again.

By following a policy of aggressive deplatforming, that prevents the right from having any future leaders. Trump was popular before aggressive deplatforming was a thing. It's literally impossible today for someone else "not approved" to get an audience as large as Trump. They would be deplatformed/fired/cancelled before they get enough of an audience to matter.

For example, suppose you're a prolific and popular right-wing poster on YouTube. You might have 1000+ hours of video uploaded. If in those 1000 hours, there's 5 minutes where you say something offensive, that's the justification for deplatforming you and kicking you off the Internet. You can make your own website or go to big tech alternatives, but you'll lose most of your normies. And "what's offensive" is always retroactively applied. If you say something that was fine at the time, but is offensive according to the standards 10 years from now, that's justification for deplatforming you.

One example of this was Stefan Molyneux. He was really popular on YouTube, but he said some "non approved" things in a few of his many videos. He was kicked off YouTube/Twitter/FaceBook/etc. He went to his own website, but he claims he lost 95%+ of his audience. When he was still on YouTube, he was popular enough to earn a decent living. Now he earns 5%-10% of what he earned before. He can't even get a regular job anymore because his reputation is too toxic.

What you're going to see is people who look and sound like Trump, but then when the chips are down and they get elected, they cuck out and accomplish nothing.

Even if Trump does somehow win in 2024, he'll still have the Deep State fighting him at every turn and then we're in 2028 back to the same problem. If a Democrat President gets elected in 2028, it'll be open borders again and any progress Trump made on illegal immigration is erased.

One theory I'm hopeful of is that there are some influential people, not just Trump, who realize the country is in trouble and are trying to correct course. Some people in this category might be Elon Musk and Bill Ackman. But there are just too many bigger forces on the side of destruction - Soros, Rothschild, Schwab, Larry Fink, and others. Musk's personal wealth is just a drop in the bucket compared to the resources those guys control.

Right now, it just seems like all the forces are organized favoring destruction. I don't see a way out. If the course somehow is corrected, that's going to take at least a few decades, and by then I'll be too old for it to matter to me. In the meantime, all those college students cheering Hamas are going to be future leaders - politicians, CEOs, bureaucrats, journalists. If only current Harvard students got to vote, the US policy probably would be to declare war on Israel in support of Hamas, fully open borders let Muslim invaders conquer the country by demographic replacement.

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Trump's "bench" candidates

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Friday, May 31, 2024, 01:25 (422 days ago) @ FSK

FSK, you perfectly understood my meaning. And yeah, I was thinking of a bench of alternative contenders who could stand in for Trump and attract the same type of attention who would act as he has.

I don't believe they would be Youtube creators or even prominent right wing commenters. Someone like this would need massive assets, like Trump's.

I think a plausible candidate for someone who could attract attention and voter loyalty as Trump has done would have to also be a company owner, billionaire and media mogul.

Elon Musk is about the only person who comes to mind but not certain he'd want the job and the consequences.

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Trump's "bench" candidates

by ,ndo, No refunds or exchanges! Fullstop!, Saturday, June 01, 2024, 19:47 (420 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

Isn't Musk a fake, though? He's taken so much taxpayer money surely he is indebted to the mammons.

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Fake Musk and the Chosen One

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Saturday, June 01, 2024, 20:44 (420 days ago) @ ,ndo
edited by Cornpop Sutton, Saturday, June 01, 2024, 20:55

^ There is that. I've read business analyses that indicate that SpaceX is a massive pork barrel, and Tesla also. He's not exactly by any means self made.

I just gave him as the ideologically closest plausible example. I'm asserting that Tucker for instance, even if he took up exactly the same platform and position, would be incinerated by the left because he's not Midas wealthy.

Or there is Patrick-Bet David (Valuetainment, PBD podcast) who has fat stacks from an insurance MLM and is ideologically similar to Trump. But I doubt he is at the level to resist persecution either. A PBD national candidate who actually got traction for MAGA policies would probably wind up like Mike Lindell (the "My Pillow" guy) who was getting legally hammered for theories about Dominion voting.

Such a counter candidate can't just be rich, he has to be obscenely wealthy.

Trump is it, the chosen one, the Entil'za (Babylon 5 reference.) He's "it."

If you move farther away from the Trump orbit there is someone like Jeff Bezos, or Bill Gates... but we're talking anti-MAGA, pro globalist now. Those guys are wealthy enough to stand up but would be for more destruction.

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Fake Musk and the Chosen One

by ,ndo, No refunds or exchanges! Fullstop!, Saturday, June 01, 2024, 21:22 (420 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

Gates is one of the most evil people on the planet now. Hard to believe I bought so many compilers from him but that was a different world then.

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Fake Musk and the Chosen One

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Saturday, June 01, 2024, 22:06 (420 days ago) @ ,ndo

That fucker took an open source (GNU type license) compiler that was built by some university and "created" Microsoft BASIC from the source code back in 1975. He showed abject lack of character at a young age.

Baphomet Musk

by FSK, Sunday, June 02, 2024, 11:30 (419 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

There was a photo of Musk dressed up for Halloween in a Baphomet costume. He had it as his profile picture for awhile. The Satanists are very specific in their symbology, and they use Baphomet a lot. It is suspicious that Musk chose to dress up specifically as Baphoment.

Musk does seem to have made some progress with Twitter. He might just be controlled opposition and part of the plan. I.e., a "two steps forward one step back". They admit they went too far in some areas, but a lot of the other bad things they did are now permanent.

If Musk really was dangerous, he would have gotten the Trump treatment. He would have been kicked out as CEO of Tesla and SpaceX.

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Sheeeit

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Sunday, June 02, 2024, 11:42 (419 days ago) @ FSK

^ Thanks once again for the depressing truth. :-(

Mike Lindell (the "My Pillow" guy)

by IT guy, Sunday, June 02, 2024, 12:57 (419 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

Honestly.....this is probably one guy that I wouldn't want supporting me.

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The Right Has No Bench

by ,ndo, No refunds or exchanges! Fullstop!, Saturday, June 01, 2024, 19:32 (420 days ago) @ FSK

I agree with much of what you two have said. I have said all along that it will all take almost as long to undo as it did to do. But I disagree with this bit:

Right now, it just seems like all the forces are organized favoring destruction. I don't see a way out. If the course somehow is corrected, that's going to take at least a few decades, and by then I'll be too old for it to matter to me.

No I won't be "too old" because by the time I am "too old" I will be able to look back and say what I did to help correct the course. I am hoping that every right-thinking person on the planet will have on their deathbed a satisfactory answer to the question, "What did you do?"

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Uhhhmmmm

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Saturday, June 01, 2024, 20:51 (420 days ago) @ ,ndo

,ndo, spectacular having you with us this weekend. This forum has been dead.

I am hoping that every right-thinking person on the planet will have on their deathbed a satisfactory answer to the question, "What did you do?"

The January 6th gulag prisoners will have a ready answer to that Q.

And that's the problem. Because three letter agency intelligence is so good, anything brave that you do will probably result in you being picked off an disposed of.

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Uhhhmmmm

by ,ndo, No refunds or exchanges! Fullstop!, Saturday, June 01, 2024, 21:26 (420 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

6 Jan is not a good example of what I mean. Groundswell. I've mentioned multiple times US locals getting right-thinking people elected to school boards etc etc. The mammons have all the power almost-everywhere right now so the only and safe solution is to take it back bottom-up.

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Well, of course

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Saturday, June 01, 2024, 22:07 (420 days ago) @ ,ndo

OK, you meant normal citizen type actions, not marauding for the good of humanity.

Of course. Good point to make. Don't let any election pass by w/o staking a voice in it. I have neglected that duty too often because it wasn't a "big" election.

Thoughts about Trump's expanded "envelope" of positive influence

by IT guy, Friday, May 31, 2024, 00:02 (422 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton
edited by IT guy, Friday, May 31, 2024, 00:12

Trump's conviction of all 34 counts in the NYC kangaroo court

Funny how this is an after thought, just a small part of a large post, rather than the main topic itself. I've seen a similar phenomenon on other forums. When Trump is charged with something or loses a case, it's seen as insignificant or no big deal.

There was a time when something like this happening to a former US President would be a huge deal. Now it seems like just another routine event as if there is nothing to see here.

Of course the mainstream media is trying to turn this circus into a reverse OJ situation. ABC was actually following his limo like the media was following OJ when he was in that white Ford Bronco.

That doesn't take anything away from your post though as you bring up some excellent points. DeSantis seemed to be on his way there before he sabotaged himself.

DeSantis Threw Away 2028 President

by FSK, Friday, May 31, 2024, 00:16 (422 days ago) @ IT guy

I thought DeSantis was the clear "next after Trump" choice, but then he made the idiot decision to contest Trump for the 2024 nomination. All DeSantis had to do was stay out of the 2024 race, endorse Trump, and he would have been the 2028 landslide frontrunner with 100% of the Trump vote. Now DeSantis gets 0% of the Trump vote and has no chance of ever winning.

The RINOs were desperate for "not Trump 2024", and DeSantis was seen as having the best odds of beating him. They somehow got into his ear and made him commit political suicide in a near-hopeless attempt to beat Trump in 2024.

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DeSantis Threw Away 2028 President

by ,ndo, No refunds or exchanges! Fullstop!, Saturday, June 01, 2024, 19:48 (420 days ago) @ FSK

A cynic might suggest that that was precisely the plan, one which worked perfectly.

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DeSantis Threw Away 2028 President

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Saturday, June 01, 2024, 20:52 (420 days ago) @ ,ndo

I agree, DeSantis was either taking a fall to throw the game or he is actually that dumb/clueless. And who knows.

DeSantis Threw Away 2028 President

by IT guy, Sunday, June 02, 2024, 12:53 (419 days ago) @ ,ndo

Whose plan?

Some have speculated that Trump and DeSantis were in cahoots but there is a history between DeSantis and Jeb Bush.

Then there is Rubio (also from FL). Rubio (i.e. Little Marco) ran against Trump. Now they're best buds. Not sure what the relationship is between Rubio and DeSantis tho.

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Totally not an afterthought

by Cornpop Sutton ⌂, A bad bad dude who makes good shine., Friday, May 31, 2024, 00:58 (422 days ago) @ IT guy

Nah, I see why you'd say that but that was honestly not my intent, to downplay the verdict.

I was trying to give a 360 view of what seems to be affecting his base at this point. The trial is just one component.

I have mentally screened out the trial as a done deal - if the system and NYC courts are as corrupt as they seem, then it was inevitable that he'd be convicted.

Any voter in Trump's corner understands the fraudulent nature of the conviction and this simply mobilizes his base. More unfairness, more "if they can do this to billionaire Trump they can do this to anyone." That is the informed logical intelligent take.

The uninformed low IQ liberal take is that a felony conviction is perfectly valid especially against Orange Man even if no actual statute was broken.

In both cases the trial's results are amplified by each type's bias. But I don't have a bias as a Trump voter. He is simply the only choice if you want a country and that is perfectly logical.

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Totally not an afterthought

by ,ndo, No refunds or exchanges! Fullstop!, Saturday, June 01, 2024, 19:36 (420 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

Downplaying the verdict a little was perfectly proportionate. It is bullshit and always was bullshit and as such should be de-emphasised to some extent. Hopefully the higher courts will overturn it. In the meantime, plod on...

Totally not an afterthought

by IT guy, Sunday, June 02, 2024, 12:49 (419 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton

Totally 100% agreed

It's amazing that so many still don't see through the BS.

Thoughts about Trump's expanded "envelope" of positive influence

by JoFrance, Friday, May 31, 2024, 19:54 (421 days ago) @ Cornpop Sutton
edited by JoFrance, Friday, May 31, 2024, 20:01

I see Trump's increasing support across all demographics as being driven by the dreadful state of our economy, rampant illegal immigration and crime. The people feeling it the most are the black communities in the sanctuary cities. They're lower income people and the Democrats have abandoned them in favor of the illegal migrants. Black communities rely on the support of the government and they're mad as hell that a big part of their support is now being given to the illegals instead.

There are those blacks that are cultish "Trump's my nigga, he's a gangster" types, but also its a result of the Democrat's lawfare against him. Especially since he has a mugshot and is now a convicted felon. Blacks consider him a brother now. They understand lawfare. He's accepted as one of "them" now so his popularity has increased substantially among that population.

I see MAGA as a solid base of people that are tired of endless support for foreign wars, illegal immigration, economic unfairness, government censorship and corruption. Maybe at this time there isn't a clear leader in the Republican party that can carry the torch from Trump, but there will be one over the next four years. I think Trump will groom someone. MAGA will only grow stronger IMO.

We're pretty much done for if Trump doesn't win this election. I know he won't cave and we shouldn't either in support of him. They can't make him irrelevant, only we can. Regardless, the movement he created will live on because most people agree that we need to concentrate on making America better for the citizens of the country.

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Thoughts about Trump's expanded "envelope" of positive influence

by ,ndo, No refunds or exchanges! Fullstop!, Saturday, June 01, 2024, 19:44 (420 days ago) @ JoFrance

I think Trump will groom someone.

I agree, because I agree with the notion above that there is no bench. Trump knows there is no-one (that we're aware of) and will himself try to organise someone. Perhaps he is already doing that behind the scenes. Perhaps he will fail. But I'm sure he's aware of the need for a successor holding the same general ideals because without one everything he does achieve will be dismantled very quickly and all of his time and suffering will be wasted.

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