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I just argued with a leftist light on Facebook (Public Board)

by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Monday, September 14, 2020, 13:27 (13 days ago)
edited by Pepe the Programmer, Monday, September 14, 2020, 13:36

Here is a key takeaway:

I believe that the news distortions just don't register with a certain type, even when they claim they paid attention.

I watch some network news occasionally to get a read on the zeitgeist. ABC and NBC are almost like parodies of real reporting these days, and the content sounds like DNC campaign collateral.

This guy I was arguing with JUST DOESN'T SEE IT when I point this out, and says I am engaging in hyperbole.

He's a good guy IMO, but similar discussions with him have collapsed in the past. He started the discussion in response to a Biden meme I posted (the "100 years... Covid...deaths... so many" speech) apparently to understand better what a right leaning person thinks and why.

Most people IMO are really pretty unobservant and stupid. They don't understand their own limits of discerning useful information (I'm well aware of my own blind spots and this guy has no clue). And they accept misinformation as fact.

This guy IMO is a case study for why the country is circling the drain: laziness, lack of mental focus and acuity, willingness to believe lies because doing personal fact checking is too difficult.

And excessive reliance on tropes and thinking such as "so many people say this so there must be merit to it" and addiction to the norm and the averages: "that sounds unreasonable, surely that must not be what XXX intended."

Just plain fucking lazy. Even when the leftie is not a massive narcissist.

This guy is a "moderate" college educated professional on the east coast. I think his way of reasoning is an accurate template of the average Trump-resisting suburban moderate voter.

Call them the "Birkenstock Majority". They believe that hippies stayed nice and mellowed out.

This guy won't get it until his own town is burned down by BLM, or he is targeted himself for being a white male oppressor. Maybe not even then - he will blame Trump for "creating division".

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I just argued with a leftist light on Facebook

by Historian, Monday, September 14, 2020, 13:51 (13 days ago) @ Pepe the Programmer

says I am engaging in hyperbole

That's very interesting. On one of my social media accounts a couple weeks ago people started coming out of the blue and saying "there's no need to engage in hyperbole" in response to fact posts. I now get that comment or one like it posted on every factual statement I make, and all coming from different accounts. It's clear my account has been "marked" by one of these defense department derived social media argumentation programs that the DNC is using this election season and my account is now pretty useless.

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Hyperbole accusation

by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Monday, September 14, 2020, 13:58 (13 days ago) @ Historian

You're so special that programmed bots are tracking you.

I'm so small potatoes that TPTB use small time contract operatives to gaslight me. Posing as a friend on Facebook to tell me I'm being hyperbolic.

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not exactly

by Historian, Monday, September 14, 2020, 18:27 (12 days ago) @ Pepe the Programmer

The DNC/Pentagon's "Defeat Disinfo" bots don't track and engage only with special people.

They track everyone in the entire world and engage with anyone that needs engaging with that is deemed necessary to promote the narrative of their masters. The bots direct human Democrat allies, who volunteer for service as soldiers in the cyberwar. The bots analyze messaging. Messaging that promotes the core DNC agenda is replicated and spread by the army of real people, including people we know. Messaging against that agenda and messaging in favor of things like science and Trump attention is directed to destroy and suppress. The bots were developed by DARPA using US taxpayer money in order to counter ISIS messaging and promote US propaganda. The bots have been repurposed to eliminate the US, capitalism, and usher in socialism and cancel culture of the radical left, all under the direction of US former Generals and the like who deployed and oversaw the ISIS bot program.

I discussed the program briefly before here:

https://deplorablecoder.club/index.php?mode=entry&id=16039

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Truth masquarading as bitter sarcasm

by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Monday, September 14, 2020, 22:07 (12 days ago) @ Historian

+5, Truthy.

I really like it. I stand educated.

So you're saying that this loner online acquaintance of mine is actually a paid shill?

He did seem pretty wooden in his responses.

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Truth masquarading as bitter sarcasm

by Historian, Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 03:06 (12 days ago) @ Pepe the Programmer
edited by Historian, Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 03:10

Well the WaPo article about this suggests it's big names with lots of followers that are recruited and paid. Little people are doing it just to be part of something, a volunteer army. Maybe they get paid 50 cents a post though like they do in China! That would be funny since both are communists. Though in Israel they have a program where young adults do this in lieu of military service.

Not paying is probably a smarter strategy if you can recruit enough people due to the "Punished by Rewards" mechanics. Pay them and they go home at the end and don't believe the propaganda. It was just a job. Don't pay them and they become true believers. In China and Israel everyone knows the propaganda is BS and the only way to recruit them is pay. In the US though... people have been trained in church and school to believe whatever they are told and that what they are told is right and true and holy. Public education for the win! :-)

So your friend might be part of the army. Using terms and arguments that are en vogue is a hint. Or he might have gotten swept up in the zeitgeist. Either way he's not thinking for himself. He's parroting what his robot masters tell him. A willing unpaid slave happy to serve a soulless mechanical algorithm. This is the new industrialism, humans as slaves to robot masters.

Upshot is that you, a human, were arguing with and trying to convince a non-sentient robot of something. You were fooled because the robot was wearing the skin of a trusted human intermediary. But the task ultimately is pointless and futile, the robot is incapable of changing its mind. This is part of the system as well, your time is wasted arguing with a robot instead of a human. And if you try to argue, debate, or just learn or explore truth or reality with a fellow human... you might not even be able to find one.

Remember the meme of the NPC? The NPCs don't just get that way on their own. They are groomed and trained, without ever understanding what they are doing to their mind, ability to reason, and soul itself.

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God damn - hammer, nail, head

by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 03:19 (12 days ago) @ Historian

You nailed it so to speak.

"Your friend"? Maybe, but I feel considerable distance from anyone who fervently believes gaslit bullshit.

I believe he's not a shill or a human bot. He's a normie. He's one of the millions with tortoise like brains struggling to reconcile not even that well formed lies and believing the lies.

Fuck, I don't have that many friends and I REALLY don't have time for idiots like this guy.

If you know what's really going on does that mean implicitly that you can't have friends?

Wait, don't answer that. I know the answer and it is depressing.

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black pills black pills come getcha black pills riyat heeeeyah

by Historian, Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 03:29 (12 days ago) @ Pepe the Programmer

No need to push, they's plenty a pills for everybody!

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black pills black pills come getcha black pills riyat heeeeyah

by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 03:31 (12 days ago) @ Historian

You know, that's really pretty inevitable.

We didn't need black pills up until perhaps 2017. Up until then I figured it was inevitable that society would be healed from lies. Since then it's been straight down the shitter.

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black to red

by ,ndo, Shit for brains, Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 06:07 (12 days ago) @ Pepe the Programmer

It's not as bad as that. Let's see what happens in November. And December and 2021. And if all that goes tolerably well, the next election in 2024, who takes over then.

You never know, 2020 might turn out to be the year of clarity for the populace (I assume you know the phrase 20/20 vision).

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Is it as bad as that?

by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 11:54 (12 days ago) @ ,ndo

I'm not quite certain. You don't live here. I know you may have internet contact with US persons. But living here and hearing directly what people believe doesn't exactly inspire confidence that the average American has the slightest trace of discernment.

A lot of what I say about the left also applies to the right.

Back in 2010-12 I couldn't have a rational conversation with any right winger about (for example) the fucked up state of health care. Don't have health insurance? I do ... I always will. You must be a commie loser. I can't imagine that I'm not so great that I can't surmount any health care price gouging. You must want socialism if you want fair pricing of medication.

Today's fucking dumbass bastards are liberals. Yesterday's retarded fucking morons were Bush republicans.

I'm truly afraid of the mass stupidity of Americans.

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