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Stella Immanuel (Main Board)

by ,ndo, Shit for brains, Saturday, August 01, 2020, 06:26 (14 days ago)

I looked at her facebook page, the one that was linked to in another thread. It goes back to early April and over that period she is consistent and frequent in her advocacy of HCQ etc. I saw the part of the video where she says she came from Nigeria and they used chloroquines for everything, so to speak.

Those things on their face seem legit to me. I know a couple of you have documented millions of businesses all registered at the same address but I don't see how your discoveries add up to Immanuel being a crisis actor.

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The Hydroxychloro-Queen

by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Saturday, August 01, 2020, 12:22 (13 days ago) @ ,ndo
edited by Pepe the Programmer, Saturday, August 01, 2020, 14:31

Optics... this is what she looks like to most of the world: https://i.imgur.com/tg7YrXy.jpg

I started the concept of this "summit" being astroturfing here, and then Historian jumped in and used fairly shallow (but valid) internet research to find other residents of the business rental building that her clinic is based in.

As far as I know the entire galaxy is treating the "White Coat Summit" as a good faith event. I'm dissenting from that view.

https://religionnews.com/2020/07/29/why-is-trump-supporter-stella-immanuel-talking-about-demon-sex-and-spiritual-warfare-a-professor-explains/

My opinion is that advocating 1) not wearing masks and 2) HCQ already places you in the fringe.

Selecting a spokesperson who is closely associated with beliefs that sound unscientific and crazy to your audience doesn't seem remotely plausible when you're trying to legitimize non mainstream ideas.

As Historian said, the video and the presence of this doctor in it makes anyone staying open to HCQ sound like a crazy voodoo doctor.

Therefore I still say that the event was astro turfed by someone on the left to make medical dissenters and the right wing sound crazy and to taint Trump for his reposting it.

Dr Immanuel herself may be acting in good faith and believes what she is saying personally but I think she was selected to make the whole thing look inherently bad. I honestly don't believe that this was a good faith production.

Either this, or...

Absolutely nobody associated with this production understands the concept of "optics" (how things look to observers.)

That could also be. I tend to believe that anyone who is sincere gives a counterpoint their best effort with the best knowledge they have.

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by ,ndo, Shit for brains, Sunday, August 02, 2020, 07:08 (13 days ago) @ Pepe the Programmer

I've now watched the 45 min bitchute video of the press conference outside the summit.

I started the concept of this "summit" being astroturfing here, and then Historian jumped in and used fairly shallow (but valid) internet research to find other residents of the business rental building that her clinic is based in.

As far as I know the entire galaxy is treating the "White Coat Summit" as a good faith event. I'm dissenting from that view.

Of course I accept that that's your view and unlike our friend Idiot I'm not going to attack you over it :)

But I think the worst criticism that can be made of the press conference is that it wasn't particularly slick. And given that these people purport to be frontline doctors and not media performers or public relations specialists, that's probably a good thing rather than a bad thing.


https://religionnews.com/2020/07/29/why-is-trump-supporter-stella-immanuel-talking-about-demon-sex-and-spiritual-warfare-a-professor-explains/

My opinion is that advocating 1) not wearing masks and 2) HCQ already places you in the fringe.

Selecting a spokesperson who is closely associated with beliefs that sound unscientific and crazy to your audience doesn't seem remotely plausible when you're trying to legitimize non mainstream ideas.

As Historian said, the video and the presence of this doctor in it makes anyone staying open to HCQ sound like a crazy voodoo doctor.

That article said that André Gagné, professor of theological studies, said that Immanuel was basically talking Genesis Chapter 6. Surely mainstream Americans would not regard a person's religious beliefs as unscientific and crazy.

Maybe it's because I'm good at compartmentalising but I place more importance on her medical assertions than her non-medical beliefs. Immanuel claims that she treated 350 patients and that none of them died. I personally don't know the truth of either of those claims but if they are true they are, firstly, important in their own right and, secondly, more important than any crazy voodoo claims she might make.

And because it's not all about her, there was a section right at the end after the press conference had officially ended where one of the doctors (the paediatrician?) was explaining to a member of the public the mechanism of zinc. That was interesting, and hardly the stuff of astroturfing.

Either this, or...

Absolutely nobody associated with this production understands the concept of "optics" (how things look to observers.)

Being not media professionals, and in fact being technicians (they fix broken human machines), I think they absolutely would be fairly clueless about optics and if they did advert to it at all they would proclaim that facts are much more important than looks.

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by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Sunday, August 02, 2020, 12:12 (12 days ago) @ ,ndo
edited by Pepe the Programmer, Sunday, August 02, 2020, 12:17

Actually...

IMO the production WAS slick. But slick in the way of making the doctors and the group visually look good in a non substantive way. Handheld, and shaky camera angles.

To me the video felt kind of like something from one of these stock photo site videos that you can purchase for an animated background on a website or to add to a Youtube video.

Like it was produced to project an image, not to convey information.

I've seen the White House and the feds distribute videos that had much less of a "clickbaity" feel than this video.

It's just my intuition. I could be wrong.

And a video like this really needs titles and charts and numbers on screen.

As far as the doctor, I agree with your logic in compartmentalization. I'm saying most people in society are trained to not think logically or to compartmentalize. Again ... I feel that the worst possible persona for a "thought leader" was selected here.

Also, the video mixed in off-message and dubious concepts like stating that mask wearing is unnecessary. Pick your fights.

As far as production values go - many low-end Youtubers create very slick videos with inserted charts, superimposed titles, etc.

It isn't really important anyway. The video was suppressed. So either it served its purpose of making the right look bad to a segment that was paying attention. Or, it was sincere and unfairly censored.

This video actually makes me much more suspicious of a lot of things that appear in the news cycle. In the US we are totally manipulated by the media.

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Good one

by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Sunday, August 02, 2020, 12:13 (12 days ago) @ ,ndo

Of course I accept that that's your view and unlike our friend Idiot I'm not going to attack you over it :)

:-D

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Many businesses at same address

by Pepe the Programmer @, Süm Fäggöt and Disloyal Actual Retard, Saturday, August 01, 2020, 14:49 (13 days ago) @ ,ndo
edited by Pepe the Programmer, Saturday, August 01, 2020, 16:18

The reason this is fishy: doctor's offices generally don't co-exist with general businesses, startups, and iffy sounding businesses.

Almost all (not all, but the majority) medical establishments, offices, clinics, etc tend to locate in multi-business rental buildings that are entirely medical services oriented. Or, they locate in stand alone offices.

Dentists, chiropractors, MDs, DOs, surgeons, sports clinics, etc tend to rent in buildings that only contain other medicine-related services. So a search for the street address for legitimate doctor A will turn up specialists B, C, D...

SOMETIMES having an address in a "random businesses" building is just for the purpose of an answering service and a mail drop. Sometimes "business" addresses are pure bullshit.

Here's her clinic's FB page. It doesn't even look like a medical practice.

https://www.facebook.com/Rehoboth-Medical-Center-100321995001608

Again:

She MAY be sincere. She may be completely on the up and up.

But why not a physician who is more credible to the public and to the media to present this information?

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